Brad Knowles said the following on 2006/09/16 09:07 PM: > The reason that they were removed from Gmane is that they tell us > they have a policy of always contacting the listowner to see if it's > okay for them to carry the list on their site
This is not the case with some lists on the server I admin. Industry specific lists were added without the consent of the domain owner or list-owner. Additionally mail-archive.com has archived other lists without list-owner consent as well. Additionally their terms of service do not allow you to request the removal of the list only to prevent further archival by removing their archive address from the subscribers. I'm making no comment on the ppl behind gmane etc as I don't know them personally enough to comment, and I applaud efforts at making archives of useful lists available in a standards compliant, easily-searchable format. However I have nothing but criticism for the practise of making lists available online without list-owner's consent. It's as bad as forwarding posts from someone to a third-party list without the posters permission. Earlier this year this happened when someone's comments (said somewhat in jest) for forwarded to an enthusiasts forum as an example of hate speech type behaviour. This led to intimidating phone calls and allegedly death threats to the poster from individuals he didn't know at all who took his forwarded comments completely out of context. It was a very sad week for the community network I look after. We've had people meet, get married and have kids because of the lists and the related communities. To see that abused in a negative manner was unacceptable and led to a lack of openness in new subscriptions meaning that now for some lists people have to be vetted and archives are completely banned. Online means of archiving lists are useful -- don't get me wrong -- but some sense of polite protocol must be observed to prevent abuse. Besides, doesn't the mailman list already have an web-accessible archive front-end? -- | Bretton Vine | 083 633 8475 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | GPG: http://bretton.hivemind.net/bretton_vine.asc | "I want to suck the marrow from life. As a writer, experience is a feast you can gorge yourself on. Every moment is a kaliedascope of full-colour, surround-sound, haptic exposure to raw reality. Life V2.0 ... now with added zing (tm)" - BV ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
