Barry Warsaw wrote:
> If I was aware of such problems in the past, I honestly don't
> remember -- I'll place the blame squarely on my overloaded brain, and
> age. :) Taking a fresh look at this, I say let's do what we can to
> get the lists on Gmane, including any back archives.
The problem is that Gmane violated both their own policies (to contact
list owners before adding lists) and their agreement with us to not
archive mailman lists.
I simply don't trust them.
This problem surfaced when I found a "virgin" address of mine receiving
spam. I had just that newly created address to subscribe and post to a
mailman list. How had spammers found it so fast? A quick google found
that my address had been leaked straight to usenet by gmane.
1) They didn't contact the list owner for permission before archiving
the list.
2) They didn't munge email addresses before posting the list messages
to usenet.
They seem to have fixed problem #2, but problem #1 remains. How hard is
it to follow their OWN policy and contact a list's owner before adding
it to their gateway? This is basic netiquette. Yet they don't seem
able to comply with it.
Taking a fresh look, it looks like they are STILL unable (or unwilling)
to comply with this. And that's the crux of the matter.
Ask me if you can borrow my car, and I might say yes and give you the
keys. Take my car without asking, that's theft.
Ask me if I want to have sex, and I might say yes! Try to have sex with
me without my permission, that's rape.
Ask me if you can mirror/gateway a list I administer, I might say yes.
Mirror or gateway it without permission (especially when your OWN policy
says you ask first) and it is a netiquette violation and a copyright
violation. Not as bad as car theft or rape, but it's still a matter of
taking something without permission, and it's still wrong.
IMHO we should not let Gmane mirror the mailman lists until they FIX
their subscription process to ensure that they have the list owner's
permission *before* they add the list to their gateway. If we don't
maintain this policy, we are endorsing what they do (adding without
getting permission) and that's just wrong.
jc
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