>>>>> "Tokio" == Tokio Kikuchi >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] MM lists on Gmane" >>>>> Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:20:56 +0900
Tokio> Jason R. Mastaler wrote:
>> On 9/17/06 9:36 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>> Taking a fresh look at this, I say let's do what we can to get
>>> the lists on Gmane, including any back archives.
>>>
>>> Jason, perhaps you can mediate here, since you seem to know
>>> both the Gmane and Mailman/Python organizations. If the Gmane
>>> administrators make a formal request to the list owners of the
>>> Mailman and Python mailing lists that are missing, then my
>>> vote is to accept the offer, provide them with whatever they
>>> need, and get the newsgroups going.
>>
>> Great, thanks Barry. I'll take care of getting the MM lists +
>> back archives added to Gmane. The missing Python lists are
>> someone else's problem <wink>. Since MM is your project,
>> shouldn't your words above be sufficient as far as permission
>> to add the lists? Or are you saying some sort of additional
>> request from Gmane is also necessary?
>>
Tokio> Barry has clearly stated "if the Gmane administrators make
Tokio> a formal request" and this was the point that past
Tokio> mirroring (or archiving) requests were rejected, IIRC.
That I believe will not be likely to happen. Nobody at Gmane actively
solicits lists to be carried. Lists are added to Gmane when someone
fills in the request form. As I understand it, based upon
observation, if the request looks reasonable an administrator will
subscribe Gmane to the list and respond to subscription challenge
messages. The most difficult part of this process is selecting the
Group Name in compliance with Gmane Policy and fitting the Group Name
into the existing Gmane naming hierarchy. List properties and options
other than the Group Name and place in the Gmane hierarchy can be
changed later.
Unless I am missing something, the form at
<http://gmane.org/subscribe.php> does not include a place for the
list-owner address. It sees to me therefore unrealistic to expect the
Gmane administrator to contact the list-owner but rather the the
person submitting the request ("Your email address" on the form) if
there are any questions. For this reason I suggest to owners of lists
with public archives under my purview that they might be well advised
to subscribe their lists to Gmane themselves rather than wait for
someone else to do it and get the name wrong or otherwise raise havoc.
Note also that old archives will only be imported to Gmane as
indicated at <http://gmane.org/import.php>.
HTH
jam
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