Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:20:01 -0500 From: Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: > P.S. I still don't understand why they insist on an invite model. Because all it takes is one listowner that doesn't understand and does a mass subscribe of a number of people, some of those people complain and then the entire ISP gets blacklisted. And some blacklists you simply cannot *EVER* get them to remove you. Actually, by "invite model" I meant that the user had to click on a link and confirm by signing up on the website. But a fellow user at my ISP tested it and pointed out that, while there is indeed an option to use the link to sign up, you can simply reply to the invite message and that will start your subscription. So I stand corrected on that one. Personally, I would be happy to see the "mass subscribe" feature go away completely from the web interface of Mailman, or at least disabled by default. But then I've been fighting spam since the time I was the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator at AOL in '95, and this is a subject that I feel very strongly about. I have mixed feelings. Obviously, as a listowner I know *I* do things responsibly and want the tools to go with it. As someone who could be the victim of an irresponsible listowner, or trying to put myself into the position of an ISP, I realize that the tool can be terribly misused and the software should make it hard or impossible to do that. The person at my ISP I spoke to on the phone said that, in the event of a complaint, they would simply want proof that the person wanted to be added. Every single person I've added to lists I've run on other software (or would add to MM lists if I could) falls into one of 3 categories: someone who has tried and failed to subscribe her/himself and asks me to do it (I keep the email trail); someone who signs up on a paper form and not only gives their email but also checks a box saying "add me to the mailing list" (I keep the paper); someone I am friends with or have a business relationship with who asks me to add them (no paper trail here usually but I could get the person to write email or call correcting any complaint they might have made by accident (never happened so far)). The ISP person said that would be fine by him. I really really hate having my ability to effectively run lists (or websites or chats) curtailed because of the huge numbers of greedy jerks out there. I realize it can't be ignored but I am hoping there could be some middle ground. I thought Mark's suggestion of limiting direct adds to a small number per time unit, or my ISP's suggestion of being able to give particular lists or listowners the ability to do direct adds (overruled by his superviser it seems), to be quite reasonable. Cyndi ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
