[oops, left something out]

This is odd since my current install of mailman has permissions like this:

 8 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root    mailman   7622 Jun  8  2007 add_members
 6 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root    mailman   6008 Jun  8  2007 arch
 4 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root    mailman   2569 Jun  8  2007 b4b5-archfix

mailman was compiled on my system with GID mailman, but trying to setup 2.1.11 with the same build options fails, so assuming I upgrade at some point, how do I get this to work?

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