Hello Tracy, On 20 May 2026, at 21:21, Tracy Kent Valleau wrote:
> I tried creating a new Outlook account. I would not "verify". might point to SSL or network layer on your box > I tried creating a new Thunderbird account. Works perfectly. (In fact, faster > than anything else). as long as you don’t use pgp, TB’s bakes its own cake and has an outdated implementation. > I tried webmail. Works just fine. > I deleted and rebuilt the Mail account. Works, but slow. > I deleted and rebuilt the MailMate account. same thing: sometimes it > connects; sometimes it drops, sometimes I get spinning pinwheels until I do a > force quit. so the database is not the problem, it’s deeper. > I tried on my MacBook Air 4 using wifi, and MailMate took 58 seconds to > connect, and then worked... until it didn't. Have you been trying also another Mac with MM? Does it behave the same? > > So at this point, there is a lack of consistency which makes debugging an > issue. (I've been doing this kind of thing since 1978.) I guess, you looked the activity monitor, have you tried Wireshark to see what’s going on? > > Since it varies by software and perhaps device, I'm beginning to suspect the > problem may lay with the server certificate at Dreamhost, which is > self-signed. a self signed cert is unacceptable for a hosting service. There’s let’s encrypt and it’s free, a little script and it also gets updated in time. To my experience MM is one of the best, if not the best mail-client around currently. I was just looking for an alternativer for Fedora, ended up with Claws Mail and Claws would probably even not connect to a server with selfsigned cert. MM is much more tolerant. The behaviour you describe is quite unusual and wired, I’m curious what you’re gonna find out. cheers Matthias
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