Yep, I don't disagree with *anything* you've said.  But examples from 'not me' 
are likely to be more compelling than 'just me telling them why it's a bad 
idea'.

Anne


> On 5/9/16 11:20 AM, Anne Mitchell wrote:
>> 
>> Without commenting on what I think of the 'service' personally, I know the 
>> founders over at bounce.io, and with permission, I'd like to send this over 
>> to them - while the service may be ripe for abuse, the people involved are 
>> pretty white hat in their views, so I think they'd want to hear about this.
> 
> Ripe for abuse? It *IS* abuse.
> 
> Sender A sends to recipient B. Mail to B isn't deliverable for some reason. 
> Third-party bounce.io, with permission of (and possible payment to?) B's ISP, 
> intercepts the non-delivery notice and sends advertisements to sender A 
> without permission. How can this possibly be construed as white-hat?
> 
> It's backscatter on steroids.
> 
> Their FAQ at betterbounces.net (bounce.io redirects there) claims that 
> they're just trying to send more human-readable bounce messages but need 
> advertising to pay for it. They also claim that one can opt out of the 
> advertisements but only on a domain-by-domain (or typo-by-typo) basis.
> 
> https://betterbounces.net/faqs
> 
> In fact, the bounce messages, while perhaps more human-readable, are far less 
> likely to ever be read by a human as the spam within them will result in 
> almost universal filtering once anti-spam vendors get savvy to it.
> 
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