Tim Bray wrote:

What is different is the volume of snakeoil lawyers, consultants and
people who don't have a clue deciding on new `rules` that you must do today.

Oh you are not wrong there.... to give you some sort of idea got this the other day...

We're currently using Sorbs.net in our **** Mail Server.

As we exchange IP addresses and customer data, i believe we need a GDPR agreement from you.

I have looked on your website but i cannot seem to find this - is this something you can send us per e-mail?

I replied with the following:

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Checking with our lawyers, but it is very unlikely that we would need to have such a thing as you're not exchanging data with us.

...and just so you're aware of the implications, if we are required to provide this to you, then you will be required to have every website. email and DNS server provider to supply GDPR agreements with you as well.... as you're performing lookups to DNS which are also done by every webserver, email server and DNS server in the world...
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Of course this just shows how little knowledge and how much scaremongering there is out there... I got a reply to my email for those interested...


Thank you for your response.
Actually - i have contacted the 3 BL services we're using and everyone
says the same.

With your explanation, that actually also makes sense!

Thank you for your time - have a great weekend! :)

Which goes to show its a matter of eduation that the GDPR is really not much more than is out there already just it covers all of Europe and is designed to take a lot of the individual country differences/laws etc out of the equation and provide a Europe wide data protection policy targeting all those wishing to do business in Europe.... and lets not forget here... The GDPR is about data protection across the board its not just for online transactions... It to protect personal data and privacy generally and addresses the specific issue of data being exported outside of the EU (which most country level DPAs don't/are not able to address).... it also stops people/companies from choosing the jurisdiction for the DPA that is most conducive to their business model... but when you have Google Ads showing the 'sponsored ads' when searching 'GDPR' as:

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... is there any wonder why people are concerned about this 'new' thing ...?

Seriously its very simple (especially with domain registration)... eg:

To buy/own a domain the ownership details have to be published publicly. The domain has to be owned by an individual or company. An address and phone number/email has to be provided for the individual or company, these can be PO Boxes, disposable phones, or hotmail email addresses etc, but be aware that important information is often sent to these so ensure they always work or you might find that you are unable to use/renew your domain in the future. If your enter fake details your domain registration maybe deleted without warning, refund will not be provided in these cases.

Do you wish to proceed? [Yes/No]

The way I see it (and of course IANAL) consent to publish the information publicly trumps the DPA/GDPR everywhere/everytime. People using the information for anything (including just storing it for reference/research) that is not part of the purchase contract are violating the GDPR... ie if I get a copy of the Whois Database (whether downloading it from a registrar officially or by scraping it over time) *I* am violating the GDPR unless *I* have permission to take that data by ALL the *EU subjects* of that data... and that doesn't matter whether I am an entity doing business solely in the EU or not... Of course the last link above is the amusing one... "Hey, avoid the GDPR, stop doing business in the EU and block all EU traffic!" Doh!

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