My question is, "What Mailchimp spam problem?" Where's data? All I see is useless bombastic complaining that belongs on NANAE or SPAM-L, not here.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:30 AM David Carriger <david.carri...@infusionsoft.com> wrote: > > MailChimp is more successful than most of their competitors - they have more > customers and send more emails. The volume of spam you receive from MailChimp > may be higher than, say, Constant Contact, but MailChimp also sends more > email than Constant Contact. I'd be surprised if the percentage of spam that > MailChimp sends is much, if any, higher than the percentage of spam that any > other ESP sends. > > > MailChimp built Omnivore to help prevent abuse on their platform. MailChimp > uses E-HAWK and other tools to prevent fraudulent signups on their own > service by spammers. MailChimp has implemented experimental headers such as > "Form-Sub" to try to prevent spam. MailChimp is a member of M3AAWG. > > > This is not a company that says they're against spam and abuse, while winking > at spammers and pocketing their money. MailChimp doesn't want to send spam > any more than you want to receive spam. > > > If you're getting a lot of spam from MailChimp - great, what can be done > about it? Do you have a feedback loop so that MailChimp is aware? Have you > started up a dialogue with their abuse team? If you've seen patterns in the > abuse, have you let them know so they can build detection for that into > Omnivore? > > > If you block MailChimp, you're going to get a lot of false positives and > complaints because they aren't a spam outfit. They want to do the right > thing. If you feel they're falling short, it's far more productive to > brainstorm how you could mutually help each fix the problem. > > > ________________________________ > From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> on behalf of Steve Atkins > <st...@blighty.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:04 AM > To: mailop > Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam > problem? > > > > > On Nov 6, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Renaud Allard via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11/6/18 3:02 PM, Charles McKean wrote: > >> If you had any honest question here, you got it wrong by laying on the > >> insult and making leading statements. Since you are acting like a > >> troll, I think we should treat you like a troll and tell you to go > >> away. > >> I get so many spams, but I have not gotten a spam from a Mailchimp > >> customer for as long as I can remember. There are many other email > >> services providers that are much worse. Mailchimp is not the problem > >> for most of us, so perhaps the question to ask is, are you the > >> outlier? And if so, why? Are your filters broken? > > > > I am not sure who is trolling here. I get very few spam that pass my > > filters, however most of the spam that pass the filters are from mailchimp. > > That said, mailchimp is generally fast and efficient at stopping the spam > > spree when you complain to them. Though, you will still receive others from > > other customers at mailchimp. > > I see significantly more spam from, and far less action in response to > complaints, from OVH, Digital Ocean, Microsoft (Azure, in particular) and to > a slightly lesser extent Google. MailChimp - and other traditional (non-API) > ESPs - are there, but mostly lost in the noise. > > I have found that complaining about spam from ESPs in preference to the much > higher volumes of spam from other sources, does correlate with a certain sort > of recipient. > > Cheers, > Steve > -- al iverson // 312-725-0130 // miami http://www.aliverson.com http://www.spamresource.com _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
