Hi Michael, > how long they have been in business I've seen emails from them since 2009
> how big the IP space is I can't say; they used other ranges back in 2009, but that can legitimately evolve over the years > and their relationship to the parent in the SWIP, etc.. You won't get any reliable WHOIS information from China. They have a limited number of operators (and ASNs) and a NIR (CNNIC) that doesn't require to declare who the IP space is used by. > And whether the ESP is actually from china, or a North American operator > operating off shore.. Chinese from China. They might have a few Chinese clients sending emails in other countries, OR could be starting to expand in North America (although I didn't witness that), but it's very unlikely they are operating off shore. One of the main reason is that they send emails from Chinese IPs, and you just can't do that if you're not from there. Cheers, -- Benjamin -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peddemors <mich...@linuxmagic.com> Sent: mardi 6 novembre 2018 20:22 To: Benjamin BILLON <bbil...@splio.com>; mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem? On 2018-11-06 11:10 a.m., Benjamin BILLON wrote: > Could be discussed on Spam-L rather than here, but I believe you're talking > about EasEye (no "y" in the middle); it's an ESP from Shanghai, noticeable in > China. > Do you need to know something about them, or are you just stating they don't > respect best practices --or laws? > > -- > Benjamin More curiosity, how long they have been in business, how big the IP space is, and their relationship to the parent in the SWIP, etc.. Received: from mx216.sx64.email-deliver.com (HELO mx216.sx64.email-deliver.com) (118.192.64.216) No URL related to email-deliver.com, (or many of the other domains in use), and not much to go by in headers.. X-EASEYEUID: 7889443-272549-542-6580 Precedence: bulk X-Easeye-ExpirationDate: 2018-11-13 19:24:43 List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:unsub-7889443-272549-542-6...@unsub.email-deliver.com?subject=unsubscribe> X-PRECENDENCE: 0 X-Easeye-MailSeq: 4 X-DELAYHEADER: 0-0-5-0 And whether the ESP is actually from china, or a North American operator operating off shore.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> On Behalf Of Michael Peddemors > Sent: mardi 6 novembre 2018 19:15 > To: mailop@mailop.org > Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam > problem? > > Like any organization, when the volume of unwanted exceeds the volume of > wanted, you flag them... and let customers 'This is not junk' the ones they > want. > > Only way around this conundrum is to empower your users. > > And while we also see they abuse problem, as pointed out they aren't the > worst.. > > Speaking of, has anyone heard of a player using Chinese IP space called > EasyEye, using 118.192.64.0/21 IP Space? > > So far, only seen them in spam reports, but they might be a new player.. > > > > On 2018-11-06 3:53 a.m., Benoit Panizzon wrote: >> Hi List >> >> We again face problems with services by MailChimp. >> >> Their platform is equally fashioned by serious companies sending >> permission based newsletters and by very persistent repetitive spamer. >> >> They repeatedly get blacklisted on our platform, because of recipient >> complaints. >> >> Then repeatedly customers having subscribed to newsletters from >> serious companies complain to us, because mailchimp is blocked by our >> anti-spam services. >> >> The customer reporting spam are not those who subscribed to >> newsletters, forget about it and them report opt-in emails as spam. >> >> No, the problem is that MailChimp operates under 'US' marketing laws >> where the sender is only obliged to provide an 'opt-out' link in spam >> he sends and does not have to require the recipient to have a >> validated opt-in to get advertisement emails. >> >> So often, the spamers use harvested email addresses (even spamtraps we >> have hidden of websites) or lists they bought online. >> >> The other problem is about GDPR, where laws in most European countries >> require the sender of advertisement to disclose the source of data of >> a recipient to this recipient. >> >> Spamers sending email over mailchimp are clever. The links in the >> email point to some anonymous redirection services to mailchimp >> themselves or to domains registered via anonymizing proxies. Payment >> work over paypal and if you have been trying to get at the identity of >> a fraudster who took money via paypal, you know this is not possible. >> So the recipient of spam needs to contact the 'sender' aka MailChimp >> and requires MailChimp to disclose the identity of the sender, which >> MailChimp then again rejects pointing to US privacy laws which require >> them not to disclose the identity of their customers. Safe Heaven for >> Spamer! >> >> MailChimp does close accounts for which they get a certain number of >> complaints, but they fail to recognize and block the same spamer who >> repeatedly opens news accounts. >> >> So what do you think should ISP and Email Plattform operators do about >> MailChimp? >> >> * Tell the customers complaining about spam they have to live with it? >> * Block MailChimp and tell serious companies who get blocked as >> collateral damage, to look for another, not so spamer firendly ESP? >> >> Mit freundlichen Grüssen >> >> -Benoît Panizzon- >> > > > > -- > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For > More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard > Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely > those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. 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