Hi Vladimir,

I should have specified this, but this email was received by a hotmail.com 
address. I was search how Hotmail (or outlook.com) handles DMARC but did not 
find much.

For business email it makes absolute sense to quarantine emails despite the 
policy being reject; but not so for consumer email I thought..

Kind regards,

Jon

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From: Vladimir Dubrovin <[email protected]>
Sent: 20 November 2019 14:03
To: Jon Burke <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [mailop] Reasons ISPs (Microsoft) ignore DMARC policy?


quick googling:


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/office-365-security/use-dmarc-to-validate-email#inbounddmarcfail

How Office 365 handles inbound email that fails DMARC

If the DMARC policy of the sending server is p=reject, EOP marks the message as 
spam instead of rejecting it. In other words, for inbound email, Office 365 
treats p=reject and p=quarantine the same way.

Office 365 is configured like this because some legitimate email may fail 
DMARC. For example, a message might fail DMARC if it is sent to a mailing list 
that then relays the message to all list participants. If Office 365 rejected 
these messages, people could lose legitimate email and have no way to retrieve 
it. Instead, these messages will still fail DMARC but they will be marked as 
spam and not rejected. If desired, users can still get these messages in their 
inbox through these methods:

  *   Users add safe senders individually by using their email client
  *   Administrators create an Exchange mail flow rule (also known as a 
transport rule) for all users that allows messages for those particular senders.

20.11.2019 16:17, Jon Burke via mailop пишет:
Hi Mailop,

Below is a spoofed email; it fails SPF, has no DKIM, and fails the DMARC or the 
5322.From address:

Received: from MW2NAM12HT207.eop-nam12.prod.protection.outlook.com 
(2603:10a6:6:2d::33) by DB7PR10MB1996.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM with HTTPS via 
DB6PR07CA0023.EURPRD07.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:51:15 +0000 
Received: from MW2NAM12FT068.eop-nam12.prod.protection.outlook.com 
(10.13.180.52) by MW2NAM12HT207.eop-nam12.prod.protection.outlook.com 
(10.13.181.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, 
cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2451.23; Mon, 18 Nov 
2019 16:51:14 +0000 Authentication-Results: spf=fail (sender IP is 
79.101.7.133) smtp.mailfrom=e.zulily.com; hotmail.com; dkim=none (message not 
signed) header.d=none;hotmail.com; dmarc=fail action=oreject 
header.from=ocadomail.com

The DMARC policy of ocadomail.com has p=reject as policy, but Microsoft’s EOP 
seems to have overruled this policy (see action=oreject) and delivered the 
email to the recipient anyway.

I know ISPs can enforce a stricter policy (e.g. reject although policy is 
p=quarantine) but I don’t often see ISPs applying a more lenient response than 
stated in the DMARC policy. I can think of one reason for doing so (user added 
the sender to his / her safe-sender list) and wanted to ask if you know of some 
other reasons?

Thank you,

Jon


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