On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 2:47 AM Slavko via mailop <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ahoj, > > Dňa Thu, 6 Jan 2022 11:02:48 -0800 Brandon Long via mailop > <[email protected]> napísal: > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 5:55 AM Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > For a different question, if google has proper methods and checks to > > > receive DMARC reports, why doesn't it deploy them for hosted domains > > > too? There could be a dmarc-rua check box, for example. > > > > > > > I don't think accepting reports is all that useful by itself, it's > > the UI for displaying > > them and the intelligence you can bring to bear about the particular > > rejects. > > perhaps i am too stupid to get it, but please, how report data can > appear in any UI, when report itself is rejected, thus not delivered? > > Yes, i remember, that you suggested to use external service for DMARC > reports, but that is user choice, right? And it doesn't matter, if > user choose gmail mailbox for receiving reports because he/she don't > know what is doing or have some (good) reason for it. > > Or google knows better what is best for particular user? > Google is providing a service to users at a price with a set of limits. There are many limits to the system, as there are limits to the mail systems other companies provide. Those limits are chosen based on technical, product, policy and legal decisions. If those limits do not match the particular user's needs, then they should evaluate the full set of their requirements against the available options and make their choice. Every mail service limits the size of the messages, most limit the size of the mailbox, some implicitly limit the size of the mailbox by having rate limits or required expiration. The service limits what types of messages are allowed to be sent and received. They make judgements on the contents of the messages based on spam/malware/phishing. They keep logs as required by the law. They control access to the mailbox to protect a user's content. They don't allow sending of spam, or being a dropbox for fraud. This particular discussion is about DMARC, Google has chosen to enforce DMARC on the mail sent to their customers not because "they know what's best"... they have an implicit understanding with their customers that they will make reasonable attempts to reduce "bad" messages from reaching them. So, yes, Google has decided that 86400 messages a day is enough for anyone, and that 15GB of mail is the limit for free accounts (which is probably less than 10d of 1qps mail, I might add). They've decided that Gmail is a mailbox for users and not robots, partially because robots cost 4-5 orders of magnitude more. These limits are always subject to change based on the market and costs. Brandon
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