On 2022-04-13 at 17:43:58 UTC-0400 (Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:43:58 +0200) Paul Vixie via mailop <[email protected]> is rumored to have said:
> it's troubling me that in a recent thread asking where to host mailboxes, > google was recommended several times, in spite of the fact that google is > provably wrong and provably non-transarent in how they decide what inbound > e-mail to reject. Yes, but they are a step above their most direct competitors (MS & Oath) in providing cheap retail mailboxes, in that they do seem to absolutely positively deliver if they say 250 at end-of-data. Maybe they deliver it to the Spam folder, but they deliver. The others, not so much. And for the normal everyday use by the end user of the mailbox, GMail is as decent as webmail gets and their IMAP support is somehow better than MS. From the PoV of managing mail for smallish senders (people-to-people business, discussion lists, small-scale non-spam B2C) GMail is absolutely the least problematic large mailbox provider I deal with. GMail delivery to the spam folder can be annoying, but it IS soluble. MS rejecting mail from an IP that their feedback systems insist is not being blocked is not. Yahoo accepting mail that never arrives anywhere is not. GMX having completely opaque failure modes is not. > of all constituencies, this one, mailop, is one i would have expected to know > better than to cooperate with your oppressor. It's a great theory. Unfortunately for the non-spamming mail system operator, the email world is dominated by de facto bad actors. Mailbox providers have settled on ZERO as the base value for their mailboxes, so the big competitive ones are all pretty shoddy in absolute terms. End users of the mailboxes do not see it the same way. Until they have an inappropriate delivery to Spam or rejection which they notice, they will not see Google as problematic. Most will not have such issues regularly. That's true of any retail mailbox. Very few will ever have trouble with mail that they send via Google, which is also true of other big providers but not so much out on the long tail of providers trying to deliver to them. At a higher level, Internet email is premised on universal cooperation. The narrative of "oppression" just can't fit that. Google deliverability is nowhere near the top of my list of chronic problems as a mail admin. I wouldn't choose them for my own use, but my tastes are not those of a normal user. No change they can be reasonably expected to make would substantively reduce my headaches. -- Bill Cole [email protected] or [email protected] (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list [email protected] https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
