I think the first question anyone will ask is "How do we know that Abusix won't eventually become Validity 2: the Abusix Remix"? I do like the idea of pushing the RFC, but if you're in the middle many of those MBPs will likely defer to a new middle-man to handle the implementation, and we're back at a single vendor.
Mike ________________________________ From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> on behalf of Steve Freegard via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 12:05 PM To: Support 3Hound <supp...@3hound.com> Cc: mailop@mailop.org <mailop@mailop.org> Subject: Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF) Just saw this thread; I published this earlier today and we're likely going to discuss it at M3AAWG: https://abusix.com/feedback-loops/ TLDR; Abusix is willing to take this on and provide it as a free service from any mailbox provider that wishes to participate, but we'll do it based on the Independent RFC Draft using CFBL-Address, so we don't just end up swapping out Validity for us, we help adopt a standard that any mailbox provider can use going forward if they wish. Putting us in the middle just means that we take on the burden of processing, wrapping and delivering the reports and approving the CFBL-Addresses that can receive them and producing some high-level statistics that might be interesting at the same time. Kind regards, Steve. On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 12:29, Support 3Hound via mailop <mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: Dear list, I would like to understand what the community think about the new Validity universal feedback loop service that is switching to a paid service starting 21 September 2023. As Validity worked in the the last years to achieve the management of the FBL service from all the "main" country-level and international mailbox providers (as the "universal" word suggest), I think that this new policy is unfair and a very bad news for the mail operators community. During years the FBL became a kind of "safe feature" for users that prefer to click "junk" or "spam" and be sure they will not receive anymore. The "one click unsubscribe/ List-unsubscribe header" should be the right way to do that... true! But this is not the focus, everyone know that FBL are -de facto- used like that from users and that they are honored from correct sender. FBL generates also a good data flow for the mailbox provider that may filter the "next e-mail" from a sender that don't honor the FBL (or can't act realtime the unsubcribe) generating a better service for the end user and a way to identify good player and bad ones. Switching to a paid service bring these metrics to fails; rich spammer may easily honor them getting a better reputation than a little correct player. It also means that it's needed to buy a paid service from a private company to follows best practices, something that seems to be unfair. But... as any collaborating service it's based on other peers/nodes/players so my question is: how mail players will act in this scenario? 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