> > Simply, nobody needs this.
>
> I've been building an email client and actually do fetch avatars and logos to
> be
> displayed next to emails. I find it helps me visually identify emails easier,
> it's a lot less taxing on the brain than reading sender names or addresses. Of
> course in my case I'm also scraping gravatar and favicons, so it doesn't have
> much to do with BIMI.
I find that helpful too.
Will your eMail client have a free edition option? If so, please do
share a link to it here (or eMail me directly) because I'd be happy
to consider including it in the list of eMail client software options
that we provide to our users (and also include it in the "Resources"
section of the Canadian Lumber Cartel web site).
(On PCs, most of our users are either using OutLook, Thunderbird, or
our webmail option. A few are using other software, including
Sylpheed, Pegasus Mail, and some others I don't recall the names of.)
> Just wanted to add that I actually like it for visual clarity. Though I would
> have liked a more general avatar implementation not geared towards businesses.
If you support BIMI with and without the "a=" parameter containing a
certificate, that would be fantastic. (You could always indicate
with a golden lock in the corner of BIMI logos when they do have
valid certificates specified with the "a=" parameter.)
> Groetjes,
> Louis
>
>
> Op woensdag 10 januari 2024 om 18:18, schreef Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
> <[email protected]>:
>
> > Dnia 10.01.2024 o godz. 11:32:36 Seth Blank via mailop pisze:
> > > The hope is that as BIMI gets more widely adopted, the cost (and
> > > automation) of the logo validation drops. Time will tell.
> > >
> > > Of course, for broader adoption, we also need to progress beyond
> > > trademarks, which have their own cost and timeliness issues. The working
> > > group is leaning heavily into this, as its our top priority to make BIMI
> > > more broadly accessible.
> > >
> > > This covers our technical intent:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bkl-bimi-overview-00
> > [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bkl-bimi-overview-00] and
> >
> > The document fails to convincingly answer THE one basic question:
> >
> > WHY in the hell is such a strange feature needed at all and for whom?
> >
> > As the OP has written, the only ones that may be interested in this may be
> > marketers. Nobody else needs any logos, avatars etc. displayed alongside the
> > email headers. There is a reason why the early attempt at this - I'm talking
> > about the X-Face header, which you even refer to in this document - never
> > gained any popularity. Simply, nobody needs this. The fact that Gmail
> > implemented in its web client putting up some images alongside email headers
> > (which, by the way, show anything non-default only if the sender is another
> > Gmail user and has a profile picture defined in his/her account) shouldn't
> > be any reference nor guide for designing email applications at all. NOBODY
> > NEEDS THESE IMAGES.
> >
> > Also, I see no feasible way - neither now nor in the future - to use it any
> > meaningful way in person-to-person communication, which is the topic OP
> > asked about, and you seem to have ignored it completely in your answer. The
> > document you are linking to isn't even trying to address this use case! It
> > speaks all the time about "organizations" or "brands" and their logotypes,
> > like companies or organizations were the only senders of emails. Or maybe
> > this is the actual intent? To make individual people only reicipents of
> > emails, without the ability to send?
> >
> > In section 3.3 you even predict that BIMI is about to go the same path DMARC
> > went - "DMARC started with limited use to protect heavily phished domains",
> > and now we have arrived to the point when you almost can't send mail to any
> > big mail provider without having DMARC properly set up. You predict that
> > likely the same will happen for BIMI, which means, you won't be able to send
> > mail to any of the "big players" if you don't have BIMI set up. Which *will*
> > cost money - you are also clear about it. Is the goal to make email a closed
> > ecosystem in which only the big players can participate?
> >
> > This was a bad idea from the beginning (I would even say, a crazy idea) and
> > will still be a bad idea no matter how much work and effort you put into it.
> > So maybe it's better not to waste that effort at all and direct it towards
> > something actually useful.
> > --
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> > Jaroslaw Rafa
> > [email protected] [[email protected]]
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