> I find that helpful too.
Good to hear I'm not alone haha
> Will your eMail client have a free edition option?
Afraid not. Will be starting an email host in the future and this will be the
webmail + mobile apps, it would access the host though an api so won't be
compatible with other hosts (but of course my host does support imap). I'm
currently its only user (this email is written in it), and there's no public
record of it beyond what you're reading now. Once I get my act together and
finally start this thing anyone here would of course be welcome to a free
account ;)
> If you support BIMI with and without the "a=" parameter containing a
> certificate, that would be fantastic. (You could always indicate
> with a golden lock in the corner of BIMI logos when they do have
> valid certificates specified with the "a=" parameter.)
That's the plan! Sorry to disappoint with the whole being an unreleased
proprietary email client part.
Groetjes,
Louis
Op donderdag 11 januari 2024 om 10:10, schreef Randolf Richardson, Postmaster
via mailop <[email protected]>:
> > > Simply, nobody needs this.
> >
> > I've been building an email client and actually do fetch avatars and logos
> to be
> > displayed next to emails. I find it helps me visually identify emails
> easier,
> > it's a lot less taxing on the brain than reading sender names or addresses.
> Of
> > course in my case I'm also scraping gravatar and favicons, so it doesn't
> have
> > much to do with BIMI.
>
> I find that helpful too.
>
> Will your eMail client have a free edition option? If so, please do
> share a link to it here (or eMail me directly) because I'd be happy
> to consider including it in the list of eMail client software options
> that we provide to our users (and also include it in the "Resources"
> section of the Canadian Lumber Cartel web site).
>
> (On PCs, most of our users are either using OutLook, Thunderbird, or
> our webmail option. A few are using other software, including
> Sylpheed, Pegasus Mail, and some others I don't recall the names of.)
>
> > Just wanted to add that I actually like it for visual clarity. Though I
> would
> > have liked a more general avatar implementation not geared towards
> businesses.
>
> If you support BIMI with and without the "a=" parameter containing a
> certificate, that would be fantastic. (You could always indicate
> with a golden lock in the corner of BIMI logos when they do have
> valid certificates specified with the "a=" parameter.)
>
> > Groetjes,
> > Louis
> >
> >
> > Op woensdag 10 januari 2024 om 18:18, schreef Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
> > <[email protected] [[email protected]]>:
> >
> > > Dnia 10.01.2024 o godz. 11:32:36 Seth Blank via mailop pisze:
> > > > The hope is that as BIMI gets more widely adopted, the cost (and
> > > > automation) of the logo validation drops. Time will tell.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, for broader adoption, we also need to progress beyond
> > > > trademarks, which have their own cost and timeliness issues. The working
> > > > group is leaning heavily into this, as its our top priority to make BIMI
> > > > more broadly accessible.
> > > >
> > > > This covers our technical intent:
> > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bkl-bimi-overview-00
> [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bkl-bimi-overview-00]
> > > [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bkl-bimi-overview-00
> [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bkl-bimi-overview-00]] and
> > >
> > > The document fails to convincingly answer THE one basic question:
> > >
> > > WHY in the hell is such a strange feature needed at all and for whom?
> > >
> > > As the OP has written, the only ones that may be interested in this may be
> > > marketers. Nobody else needs any logos, avatars etc. displayed alongside
> the
> > > email headers. There is a reason why the early attempt at this - I'm
> talking
> > > about the X-Face header, which you even refer to in this document - never
> > > gained any popularity. Simply, nobody needs this. The fact that Gmail
> > > implemented in its web client putting up some images alongside email
> headers
> > > (which, by the way, show anything non-default only if the sender is
> another
> > > Gmail user and has a profile picture defined in his/her account) shouldn't
> > > be any reference nor guide for designing email applications at all. NOBODY
> > > NEEDS THESE IMAGES.
> > >
> > > Also, I see no feasible way - neither now nor in the future - to use it
> any
> > > meaningful way in person-to-person communication, which is the topic OP
> > > asked about, and you seem to have ignored it completely in your answer.
> The
> > > document you are linking to isn't even trying to address this use case! It
> > > speaks all the time about "organizations" or "brands" and their logotypes,
> > > like companies or organizations were the only senders of emails. Or maybe
> > > this is the actual intent? To make individual people only reicipents of
> > > emails, without the ability to send?
> > >
> > > In section 3.3 you even predict that BIMI is about to go the same path
> DMARC
> > > went - "DMARC started with limited use to protect heavily phished
> domains",
> > > and now we have arrived to the point when you almost can't send mail to
> any
> > > big mail provider without having DMARC properly set up. You predict that
> > > likely the same will happen for BIMI, which means, you won't be able to
> send
> > > mail to any of the "big players" if you don't have BIMI set up. Which
> *will*
> > > cost money - you are also clear about it. Is the goal to make email a
> closed
> > > ecosystem in which only the big players can participate?
> > >
> > > This was a bad idea from the beginning (I would even say, a crazy idea)
> and
> > > will still be a bad idea no matter how much work and effort you put into
> it.
> > > So maybe it's better not to waste that effort at all and direct it towards
> > > something actually useful.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Jaroslaw Rafa
> > > [email protected] [[email protected]] [[email protected] [[email protected]]]
> > > --
> > > "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once
> there
> > > was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub."
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > mailop mailing list
> > > [email protected] [[email protected]] [[email protected]
> [[email protected]]]
> > > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
> [https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop]
> > > [https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
> [https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop]]
>
> --
> Postmaster - [email protected] [[email protected]]
> Randolf Richardson, CNA - [email protected]
> [[email protected]]
> Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
> Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
> https://www.inter-corporate.com/ [https://www.inter-corporate.com/]
>
> _______________________________________________
> mailop mailing list
> [email protected] [[email protected]]
> https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
> [https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop]
_______________________________________________
mailop mailing list
[email protected]
https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
