Am 17.12.2025 um 12:04:25 Uhr schrieb Paul Menzel via mailop:

> Konstantin Ryabitsev, an admin for kernel.org, posted a summary of
> the discussions at the maintainer summit [1][2]. They also have a lot
> of problems with “major hosts”:
> 
> > ## Continuous degradation of SMTP
> > 
> > We're increasingly having to deal with the degradation of the SMTP
> > support by all commercial companies:
> > 
> >     - major hosts are increasingly not interested in getting mail
> > from anyone who isn't also a major mail service provider
> > 
> >     - their "bulk sender" guidelines are no good for us (e.g.
> > requiring that we add one-click unsubscribe footers to all email)
> > 
> >     - their "spam filters" are increasingly based on training data,
> > which means that "looks different from what most of our users
> > receive" is enough to have patches and code discussions put into
> > the "Junk" folder
> > 
> >     - they apply arbitrary throttling ("too many deliveries for the
> > same message-id", "too many messages from the DKIM domain
> > foobar.com")
> > 
> >     - anti-phishing services at commercial IT companies do horrible
> > things to incoming messages  
> 
> Most people here know that already, but just wanted to share the 
> observations.

And the  way to mitigate that is to place a huge banner on the
subscription page to let the users know what their "providers" are
doing and thrive them away from the big ones.

-- 
Gruß
Marco

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