On Thu, Jan 01, 2026 at 06:04:17PM +0100, Daniel Roesen via mailop wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 09:35:55PM +0100, Marco Moock via mailop wrote: > > > In the links provided, I found no suggestions for "developer-safe" > > > mailbox providers. Instead, they consider web3, lore, and > > > public-mailbox solutions, "moving away from relying on the > > > increasingly unreliable SMTP layer." > > > > Hosting your own is a good thing against that. > > Hosting your own puts you in the same if not worse spot than kernel.org > suffers from.
Well, it's a bit of work to do run a mail service properly. And yes, GOOG in particular have been quite nasty in various ways over the years. > Can't get SMTP into Google via IPv6 anymore, for whatever reasons (they > are not even willing to explain without forcing you to register an > account with them - no). > > Need to force delivery via IPv4. Let's see how long this will work. If > it stops, well, then tough luck for their users. There is a limit on the > amount of hoops I'm willing to jump through to support their business > model. Not that they would care even a femtosecond. That's odd. I just checked with a message from here to my gmail.com account, and that one at least was delivered over IPv6. At one point I got mail rejected, actually somewhat reasonably for a change, by GOOG's servers because as it turned out the reverse lookup for that IPv6 address was not properly set up. That was fortunately easy to fix. But the part about them not being at all helpful, I concur. All the best, Peter PS my greytrapping retrospective at https://nxdomain.no/~peter/eighteen_years_of_greytrapping.html now includes full 2025 data. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team https://nxdomain.no/~peter/blogposts https://nostarch.com/book-of-pf-4th-edition "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list [email protected] https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
