By the way has anyone else seen the 1999 Routledge 4 vol. Vergil Criticism ed. by - whoops I believe Hardie? Helen COB
> From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:23:37 -0600 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: VIRGIL: An Analytic Bibliography of On-Line Neo-Latin Texts > > From the latest Scout Report: > > An Analytic Bibliography of On-Line Neo-Latin Texts > http://eee.uci.edu/~papyri/homepage/nltexts.html > > Created and maintained by Dana F. Sutton, Professor of Classics at > the University of California, this straightforward metasite currently > links to 549 free Neo-Latin electronic texts written during the > Renaissance and later. The list is browsed alphabetically. Each entry > includes author, title, URL, source site, and notes (usually download > formats). 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 25 23:23:27 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:29:36 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id JAA26955; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:43:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:42:03 +0000 From: Helen Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: An Analytic Bibliography of On-Line Neo-Latin Texts In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192] claimed to be mail.iol.ie Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way has anyone else seen the 1999 Routledge 4 vol. Vergil Criticism ed. by - whoops I believe Hardie? Helen COB > From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:23:37 -0600 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: VIRGIL: An Analytic Bibliography of On-Line Neo-Latin Texts > > From the latest Scout Report: > > An Analytic Bibliography of On-Line Neo-Latin Texts > http://eee.uci.edu/~papyri/homepage/nltexts.html > > Created and maintained by Dana F. Sutton, Professor of Classics at > the University of California, this straightforward metasite currently > links to 549 free Neo-Latin electronic texts written during the > Renaissance and later. The list is browsed alphabetically. Each entry > includes author, title, URL, source site, and notes (usually download > formats). 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 07 09:30:48 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:29:10 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id FAA03252; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 05:48:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:48:11 -0500 From: Jim O'Hara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: Hardie Routledge volumes In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host smtp.wesleyan.edu [129.133.1.61] claimed to be mail.wesleyan.edu Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] >By the way has anyone else seen the 1999 Routledge 4 vol. Vergil Criticism >ed. by - whoops I believe Hardie? >Helen COB > Yes, it's pretty good, like most things associated with Philip Hardie. I provide the amazon.com url, in case you're looking for that $700 holiday guft for someone; more usefully, they provide the whole table of contents, which I offer below (though some names are missing somehow). Note that several opposing articles are faced off against one another. I found the Homer volumes by de Jong also very useful; they include a couple of new things and some things newly translated, although I was confused one time when a Homer volume printed most but not all of a chapter or article I had seen elsewhere, with no sign that soemthign had been omitted. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0415152453/contents/r ef=pm_dp_ln_b_2/107-5677669-0186965 Virgil (Critical Assessments) by Philip R. Hardie (Editor) Our Price: $700.00 Library Binding - (September 1999) 1376 pages Table of Contents General Articles 1. Die Einheit des virgilischen Lebenswerkses F. Klinger 2. Polemical allisions to the De rerum natura of Lucretius in the works of Vergil B. Farrington 3. Virgil's ecphrastic centerpieces R.F. Thomas Eclogues 4. Virgil and the evictions L.P. Wilkinson 5. Arcadia: the discovery of a spiritual landscape B. Snell 6. Virgil and the elegiac sensibility E.J. Kenney 7. Si numquam fallit imago: riflessioni sulle Bucoliche e l'Epicureismo A. Traina 8. Architecture. Theories about Virgil's Eclogues N.Rudd 9. Virgil's pastoral programme: Theocritus, Callimachus and Eclogue 1 J.R.G. Wright 10. Tamen cantabitis, Arcades - exile and Arcadia in Eclogues 1 and 9 C.P. Segal 11. Vergil's second Eclogue: its theme and relation to the Eclogue book G.K. Galinsky 12. Vergil's caelatum opus: an interpretation of the third Eclogue C.P. Segal 13. Virgil's fourth Eclogue: easterners and westerners R.G.M. Nisbet 14. Vergil's fourth Eclogue I.M. Le M. DuQuesnay 15. Virgil's fifth Eclogue I.M. Le M. DuQuesnay 16. Cynthius W. Clausen 17. non iniussa cano: Virgil's sixth Eclogue J.P. Elder 18. Imitation in the tenth Eclogue D.A. Kidd 19. An Interpretation of the tenth Eclogue G.A. Conte Georgics 20. Agriculture and the Georgics M.S. Spurr 21. Esiodo nella cultura e nella poesia di Virgilio A. La Penna 22. Man and beast in Lucretius and the Georgics M.R. Gale 23. Virgil's Georgics and the art of reference R.F. Thomas 24. Virgil and the Euphrates R.S. Scodel 25. Die Komposition von Vergils Georgiks E. Burck 26. A new study of the Georgics B. Otis 27. Das Prooemium von Vergils Georgica G. Wissowa 28. Labor Improbus R. Jenkyns 29. Silicet et tempus uenit ... Virgil, Georgics 1.463-514 R.O.A.M. Lyne 30. Uber das Lob des Landlebens in Virgils Georgica F. Klingner 31. Virgil's marble temple: Georgics III. 10-39 D.L. Drew 32. Callimachus, the Victoria Berenices, and Roman Poetry R.F. Thomas 33. Der Bienenstaat in Vergils Georgica H. Dahlmann 34. The fourth Georgic, Virgil and Rome J. Griffin 35. Gallus, the Bucolics, and the ending of the fourth Georgic R. Coleman 36. Aristaeus, Orpheus, and the laudes Galli H. Jacobson 37. Sacrifice, society and Vergil's ox-born bees T. N. Habinek 38. The "sacrifice at the end of the Georgics, Aristaeus, and Vergilian closure R.F. Thomas Aeneid 39. Virgil's epic techniques: Heinze ninety years on P.R. Hardie 40. Descent into Hell. Reading and Ambiguity, or Virgil and the critics C. Martindale 41. The two voices of Virgil's Aeneid A. Parry 42. An Interpretation of the Aeneid W. Clausen 43. Vergil's second Iliad W.S. Anderson 44. Achilles as a model for Aeneas L.A. Mackay 45. Vergil's Aeneid and Homer G.N. Knauer 46. Vergil's Aeneis im Lichte ihrer Zeit E. Norden 47. Spunti sociologici per l'interpretazone dell' Eneide A. La Penna 48. The taciturnity of Aeneas D. Feeney 49. Aeneas and the stoic ideal C.M. Bowra 50. Virgil and the spirit of endurance P. McGushin 51. Gemina doctrina: an allegorical interpretation A. Wlosok 52. Aeneas Imperator: Roman generalship in an epic context R.G.M. Nisbet 53. The Aeneas-legend and the Aeneid N. Horsfall 54. Virgil and the poetry of explanations N. Horsfall 55. The creation of the characters in the Aeneid J. Griffin 56. Deviant focalisation in Virgil's Aeneid D. Fowler 57. Rappresentazioni del dolore e interpretazione nell' Eneide A. Barchiesi 58. The serpent and the flame: the imagery of the second book of the Aeneid B.M.W. Knox 59. Parallelism of theme and imagery in Aeneid II and IV B. Fenik 60. Multiple-correspondence similes in the Aen. D. West 61. Die Kunst der Spiegelung in Vergils Aeneis M. von Albrecht 62. The architecture of the Aeneid G.E. Duckworth 63. The language of Virgil and Horace L.P. Wilkinson 64. Art and the hero: participation, detachment, and narrative point of view in Aeneid I 65. Why did Venus wear boots? Some reflections on Aeneid 1.314 66. Laocoon and Sinon: Virgil Aeneid 2.40-198 67. The Death of Priam: allegory and history in the Aeneid 68.Aeneid III: A new approach R.B. Lloyd 69. Painful memories: Aeneid 3 and the problem of the past D. Quint 70. Vergils Didotragodie. Ein Beitrag zum Problem des Tragischen in der Aeneis A. Wlosok 71. Aeneid V and the Aeneid G.K. Galinsky 72. Aeneas, Daedalus and the labyrinth W. Fitzgerald 73. History and revelation in Vergil's Underworld D.C. Feeney 74. Aeneid 7 and the Aeneid M.C.J. Putnam 75. Sylvia's pet stag: wildness and domesticity in Virgil's Aeneid E.Vance 76. The Hercules-Cacus episode in Aeneid 8 G.K. Galinsky 77. The siginificance of Nisus and Euryalus for Aeneid IX-XII G.E. Duckworth 78. Der Pfeilwschuss des Ascanius. Zum 9 Buch der Aeneis G. Maurach 79. The baldric of Pallas: cultural models and literary rhetoric G.B. Conte 80. Mezenzio: una tragedia della tirannia e del titanismo antico A. La Penna 81. Zur Tragik von Vergils Turnusgestalt: Aristotelisches in der Schlusszene der Aeneis M. von Albrecht 82. The Deaths of Hector and Turnus D. West 83. The reconcilliations of Juno D.C. Feeney 84. The hesitation of Aeneas M.C.J. Putnam 85. The anger of Aeneas G.K. Galinsky Jim O'Hara James J. O'Hara Professor of Classical Studies Classical Studies Dept. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wesleyan University 860/685-2066 (fax: 2089) Middletown CT 06459-0146 Home Page: http://www.wesleyan.edu/classics/faculty/jim.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 07 19:28:12 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:04:24 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id JAA29469; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:28:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:27:03 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: two questions [from Lena Friesen] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host [141.140.1.2] claimed to be apollo.cc.macalester.edu Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] << message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:00:07 -0800 From: Lena Friesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all-- I have two questions - first, at the end of the Aeneid (line 941 in my Oxford Latin versiion) - the word 'infelix' is there, "et iam iamque magis cunctanem flectere sermo coeperat, infelix umero cum apparuit alto" - I am taking 'infelix' to mean unhappy, but there is no mention of this in my English translations. His eyes are restless, he checks his hand, and that's it. My second question is - are there any good books out there for learning Latin? Or any courses here in the Toronto area? Thanks! Lena Friesen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 22 08:42:51 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([161.58.153.216]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:24:09 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id KAA09655; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:11:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:11:33 -0500 From: Jim O'Hara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: two questions [from Lena Friesen] In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host smtp.wesleyan.edu [129.133.1.61] claimed to be mail.wesleyan.edu Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ><< message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> > >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:00:07 -0800 >From: Lena Friesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello all-- > >I have two questions - first, at the end of the Aeneid (line 941 in my >Oxford Latin versiion) - the word 'infelix' is there, "et iam iamque magis >cunctanem flectere sermo coeperat, infelix umero cum apparuit alto" - I am >taking 'infelix' to mean unhappy, but there is no mention of this in my >English translations. His eyes are restless, he checks his hand, and >that's it. > ... >Lena Friesen > one answer: read on to the next line and see the noun that infelix modifies: ...*infelix* umero cum apparuit alto *balteus* This is the baldric or belt of Pallas that Turnus is wearing. It is unhappy, unlucky, ill-starred, probably even to be associated with infelix as "infertile" since it was worn by two men killed young, and contains on it a depiction of men killed on their wedding night. Jim O'Hara James J. O'Hara Professor of Classical Studies Classical Studies Dept. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wesleyan University 860/685-2066 (fax: 2089) Middletown CT 06459-0146 Home Page: http://www.wesleyan.edu/classics/faculty/jim.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 25 23:24:05 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:37:06 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id KAA09655; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:11:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:11:33 -0500 From: Jim O'Hara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: two questions [from Lena Friesen] In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host smtp.wesleyan.edu [129.133.1.61] claimed to be mail.wesleyan.edu Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ><< message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> > >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:00:07 -0800 >From: Lena Friesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello all-- > >I have two questions - first, at the end of the Aeneid (line 941 in my >Oxford Latin versiion) - the word 'infelix' is there, "et iam iamque magis >cunctanem flectere sermo coeperat, infelix umero cum apparuit alto" - I am >taking 'infelix' to mean unhappy, but there is no mention of this in my >English translations. His eyes are restless, he checks his hand, and >that's it. > ... >Lena Friesen > one answer: read on to the next line and see the noun that infelix modifies: ...*infelix* umero cum apparuit alto *balteus* This is the baldric or belt of Pallas that Turnus is wearing. It is unhappy, unlucky, ill-starred, probably even to be associated with infelix as "infertile" since it was worn by two men killed young, and contains on it a depiction of men killed on their wedding night. Jim O'Hara James J. O'Hara Professor of Classical Studies Classical Studies Dept. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wesleyan University 860/685-2066 (fax: 2089) Middletown CT 06459-0146 Home Page: http://www.wesleyan.edu/classics/faculty/jim.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 07 19:29:18 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:41:44 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id OAA28996; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:03:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:03:16 +0000 From: KERSTI LAUL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: two questions [from Lena Friesen] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [62.252.160.4] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 22:03:17.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[80F75710:01C06099] X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host f278.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.153] claimed to be hotmail.com Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] In reply to your question about good books for studying Latin, I found "English Grammer For Students of Latin" by Norma Goldman and Ladislas Szymanski really useful as a referance book - it won't teach you Latin, but it's really good if your learning for the grammer side. Good Luck! >From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: VIRGIL: two questions [from Lena Friesen] >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:27:03 -0600 > ><< message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> > >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:00:07 -0800 >From: Lena Friesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello all-- > >I have two questions - first, at the end of the Aeneid (line 941 in my >Oxford Latin versiion) - the word 'infelix' is there, "et iam iamque magis >cunctanem flectere sermo coeperat, infelix umero cum apparuit alto" - I am >taking 'infelix' to mean unhappy, but there is no mention of this in my >English translations. His eyes are restless, he checks his hand, and >that's it. > >My second question is - are there any good books out there for learning >Latin? Or any courses here in the Toronto area? Thanks! > >Lena Friesen > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 08 17:00:11 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:15:47 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id KAA02585; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:21:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:21:25 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: spam Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] A quick note from the listowner: People try to spam the Virgil mailing list an average of three times _a day_. Two or three times _a year_, one of these messages gets through. When it does, please ignore it. If you wish to report it, please find out where the message _originated_ and complain there. Complaining to my ISP doesn't help with the problem. It does create more work for me. If you have suggestions for making majordomo servers more spam-proof, please email me privately. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. David Wilson-Okamura (651) 696-6643 [EMAIL PROTECTED] English Dept., Macalester College, 1600 Grand Ave., St. Paul, MN 55105 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 08 17:00:15 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:28:37 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id MAA24011; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:41:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:41:11 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: writing book 14 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am currently working on a continuation of the Aeneid in Latin Dactylic Hexameter. 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Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:43:36 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:57:13 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: Tr: VIRUS CALIFORNIA IBM et GIRL THING] To: AgoraClass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Amug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Billy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bletzaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, CES Nat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cheryl Gourgouris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Claudio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erasmus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, FANI KALOGIANNIDOU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fannie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ficino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gianni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Homer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Iconographie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Katerina Kambani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Konstantinos Gourgiotis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Late Antiquity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manolis HM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marianne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Miriam Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pericles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Popi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sotiris Agapios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thierry et Pierrette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Virgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D07B50FA6769D8E5ECCAA763" X-Accept-Language: el,pdf X-Authentication-warning: rm-rstar.sfu.ca: nullmail owned process doing -bs Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 5761 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 18:31:10 -0000 Received: from ermis.hol.gr (194.30.192.20) by isis.hol.gr with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 18:31:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19690 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 18:31:05 -0000 Received: from smtp-abo-4.wanadoo.fr (HELO antholoma.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.19.153) by ermis.hol.gr with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 18:31:05 -0000 Received: from none (193.250.182.28) by antholoma.wanadoo.fr; 12 Dec 2000 19:31:04 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Les Autographes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Les Autographes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Subject: Tr: VIRUS CALIFORNIA IBM et GIRL THING Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:36:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019F_01C06472.DF97F0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 <x-html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Tr : VIRUS CALIFORNIA IBM et GIRL THING</TITLE> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thierry BODIN, Les Autographes<BR>45 rue de l'Abb� Gr�goire 75006 Paris<BR>T�l. 33 1 45 48 25 31 Fax 33 1 45 48 92 67<BR>E-mail : <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A><BR><A href="http://www.franceantiq.fr/slam/autographes";>http://www.franceantiq.fr/slam/autographes</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Message d'origine ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>De :</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Fran�ois Caradec</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>� :</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> ; 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Ils arriveront par un e-mail<BR>> > > intitule > CALIFORNIA IBM et GIRL THING. Microsoft a annonce qu'il<BR>> > sont tr�s<BR>> > > puissants,> plus encore que " Love " . Il n'existe aucun rem�de, ils<BR>> > avalent toute<BR>> ><BR>> > > l'information du disque dur, d�truisent : Netscape Navigator et<BR>> > > Microsoft<BR>> > > Internet Explorer. N'ouvrez rien s'intitulant ainsi. Peu de gens<BR>> > > sont au courant ! Ceci est un message circulaire de l'UCL : Message a<BR>> ><BR>> > > faire> circuler le plus largement possible .. Si vous<BR>> > > recevez par Mail un message avec comme fichier joint un �cran de<BR>> > veille<BR>> > > (screensaver) intitule BUDDLY SIP : ne l'ouvrez en aucun cas. Annulez<BR>> ><BR>> > > le<BR>> > > imm�diatement. En l'ouvrant, vous allez perdre toutes les donn�es de<BR>> > > votre<BR>> > > disque dur. Tout ce que l'on sait, c'est que ce virus a �t� lance il<BR>> ><BR>> > y > a 5<BR>> > > jours et qu'il s'agit d'un tout nouveau virus extr�mement dangereux.<BR>> > > Faites suivre ce message a tout votre carnet d'adresse. Si tout le<BR>> > > monde est<BR>> > > au courant le lancement de ce virus aura<BR>> > > �t� un �chec. AOL confirme jusqu'a quel point ce virus peut �tre<BR>> > > dangereux<BR>> > > aucun programme ne peut le d�truire.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Merci de votre attention<BR>> ><BR>><BR></TT><BR><FONT color=#800000><FONT face=Helvetica><BR></FONT></FONT>---------------------------------------<BR><FONT color=#ff0000> <H2>Studio Belliard<BR></H2></FONT><B>15, Boulevard du Temple<BR>75003 Paris<BR>T�l.: 01 42 78 31 41<BR>Fax : 01 42 78 90 55<BR>e-mail : </B><FONT color=#0000ff><U><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A></U></FONT><B> <BR></B><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> </x-html>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 13 09:48:11 2000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:45:23 CDT Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.102]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id HAA02920; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailin.lrz-muenchen.de by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:44:45 +0100 Received: by mailin.lrz-muenchen.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04211; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:43:38 +0100 Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de by mailin.lrz-muenchen.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04201; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:43:37 +0100 Received: from apollo.cc.macalester.edu by mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de with ESMTP for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:44:41 +0100 Received: from oldm113-13116 ([141.140.43.46]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with SMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:44:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:38:57 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: fourth edition of Virgil bibliography (reception history) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quick note: the fourth edition of "Virgil in Late Antiquity, the Middle Ages, and the Renaissance: An Online Bibliography" is now online at: http://virgil.org/bibliography I think I'd like to get rid of the frames at some point; in the meantime, though, there are a lot of new entries since the last update. Again, thanks to all who contributed and special thanks to Otfried Lieberknecht, Helen Conrad-O'Briain, and Gert de Ceukelaire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Wilson-Okamura http://virgil.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macalester College Virgil Tradition: discussion, bibliography, &c. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 13 11:45:12 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:36:22 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id HAA02897; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:38:57 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: fourth edition of Virgil bibliography (reception history) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quick note: the fourth edition of "Virgil in Late Antiquity, the Middle Ages, and the Renaissance: An Online Bibliography" is now online at: http://virgil.org/bibliography I think I'd like to get rid of the frames at some point; in the meantime, though, there are a lot of new entries since the last update. Again, thanks to all who contributed and special thanks to Otfried Lieberknecht, Helen Conrad-O'Briain, and Gert de Ceukelaire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Wilson-Okamura http://virgil.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macalester College Virgil Tradition: discussion, bibliography, &c. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 14 11:36:00 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:55:50 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id IAA18878; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:15:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:07:35 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: eGroups discussion of Virgil's murder Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host [141.140.1.2] claimed to be apollo.cc.macalester.edu Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] A postscript to the fall's discussion of whether Augustus had Virgil murdered: as you will recall, we decided not to talk it anymore. J.-Y. Maleuvre has, however, asked me to mention that he has now created an eGroups mailing list to discuss the topic at greater length. The URL, for those who are interested, is http://www.egroups.com/group/virgilmurder ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Wilson-Okamura http://virgil.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macalester College Virgil Tradition: discussion, bibliography, &c. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Dec 16 16:09:34 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:04:51 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id LAA12847; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:27:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: i luv cows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I was wondering if Virgil uses comparative language in writing the Aeneid(simile or metaphor). If so, where in the text could I find these? 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Dec 16 16:09:39 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:21:51 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id MAA20932; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:50:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67] claimed to be imo-r13.mail.aol.com Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Virgil uses simile and metaphor pretty much in every line he wrote. Pick any line and he is using them. The question should be which simile or metaphor should be most revered. If you are not a reader of Virgil, I suggest obtaining any English translation of The Aeneid, and there rhetorical devices will be clearly seen. I do not believe you are a reader of Virgil because these devices should fly out at you. Read him and discover his artistry. Best, Russell Beneke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 18 11:13:15 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:06:08 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id IAA02169; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:19:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:14:08 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: similes Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] << message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:32:39 -0500 From: "Stefan Patrikis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> iluvcows99, The most notable instances of comparative language in the Aeneid are Virgil's epic similes. These are probably what your question is most geared towards. A couple early (and famous) examples are liber I, ll. 148-153; liber I, ll. 430-436. If you're reading the Latin, note the standard simile introductions-- qualis, veluti, sicut, etc. Such passages will be a good introduction. Do not go looking for comparative language in almost every line, as someone else suggested, because it does not exist, though it is certainly prevalent. Personification, such as Furor impius (liber I, 294), is another type of comparative language that speaks, in this case, at multiple levels. Hope this helps. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 02 12:08:20 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:46:30 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id IAA15080; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 08:09:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:08:01 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: :Sortes Vergilianae & source of quotation Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host [141.140.1.2] claimed to be apollo.cc.macalester.edu Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] << message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:47:39 +0800 Frances Mayes in her book "Under The Tuscan Sun"[Broadway Books,New York 1996] writes that she consulted the "sortes", when she wondered if her Tuscan farmhouse would ever be properly renovated:"During the Renaissance, it was a custom to open Vergil at random and place a finger on a line that would foretell the future or answer a burning question. In the South[of the USA], we used to do this with the Bible. People always have had ways to grasp for revelation: The Etruscans' haruspication, reading omens from sacrificed animals' livers, is no stranger than the Greeks' finding significance in the flight patterns of birds and the droppings of animals. I open Vergil and put my finger down on "The years take all, one's wits included." Not very encouraging." [p.253-4] I did not much like the book either in its matter or its style, but I was intrigued by a modern instance of the "sortes Vergilinae" as well as the claim that the "sortes Biblicae" was still consulted in Mayes' lifetime in the southern states of America. But where does the quotation "The years take all, one's wits included." come from? I confess that I cannot locate the Latin or the source in Virgil. Is Mayes translating from the Latin (in which case,I do wish she had given the Latin as well) or consulting an English version? Is an English version efficacious for the "sortes'? Lastly, a minor & non-Virgilian query: was "copromancy" really practised by the Greeks? Omnia bona vobis, Mantovani, exopto, anno ineunte MMI. Peter J V Dennistoun Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perthae apud ant ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 02 12:08:25 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:08:03 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id JAA25558; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:19:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:22:31 -0500 From: Philip Thibodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: :Sortes Vergilianae & source of quotation Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know about Greek copromancy, but the Vergil quotation is from the Eclogues, 9.51: Omnia fert aetas, animum quoque. Since Guy Lee in the Penguin edition renders this, "The years take all, one's wits included," I take it Mayers had Lee's edition in hand. Best, Philip Thibodeau The University of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: VIRGIL: :Sortes Vergilianae & source of quotation ><< message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura >> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:47:39 +0800 > >Frances Mayes in her book "Under The Tuscan Sun"[Broadway Books,New York >1996] writes that she consulted the "sortes", when she wondered if her >Tuscan farmhouse would ever be properly renovated:"During the Renaissance, >it was a custom to open Vergil at random and place a finger on a line that >would foretell the future or answer a burning question. In the South[of the >USA], we used to do this with the Bible. People always have had ways to >grasp for revelation: The Etruscans' haruspication, reading omens from >sacrificed animals' livers, is no stranger than the Greeks' finding >significance in the flight patterns of birds and the droppings of animals. >I open Vergil and put my finger down on "The years take all, one's wits >included." Not very encouraging." >[p.253-4] > >I did not much like the book either in its matter or its style, but I was >intrigued by a modern instance of the "sortes Vergilinae" as well as the >claim that the "sortes Biblicae" was still consulted in Mayes' lifetime in >the southern states of America. > >But where does the quotation "The years take all, one's wits included." >come from? I confess that I cannot locate the Latin or the source in >Virgil. Is Mayes translating from the Latin (in which case,I do wish she >had given the Latin as well) or consulting an English version? Is an >English version efficacious for the "sortes'? > >Lastly, a minor & non-Virgilian query: was "copromancy" really practised by >the Greeks? > >Omnia bona vobis, Mantovani, exopto, anno ineunte MMI. > >Peter J V Dennistoun Bryant > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Perthae apud ant >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 03 13:43:45 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:39:02 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id KAA09539; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:25:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:25:25 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Spero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: Venus' Motives Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host web3401.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.55] claimed to be web3407.mail.yahoo.com Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All, I have a few queries about Venus' motives in the Aeneid and any help would be appreciated (this is not for an essay, just general classical knowledge). Right, my questions: in Book One of the Aeneid, why does Venus try to make Dido fall in love with Aeneas? Jupiter has already ensured the Trojans will receive a warm reception (c. 1.298-305), and if Aeneas stays in Carthage, as Venus' plan implies he would, this plays right into Juno's hands by delaying the founding of Rome. Also, why does Venus not stop Aeneas and Dido (in Book Four) making love which would surely delay him further by involving him in a relationship? and why is it left up to Jupiter to intervene (after Iarbas' prayers) when surely it would be in Venus' interests to send Mercury as soon as possible? Don't feel you have to answer all of these - I know they're convoluted - but if someone could, I'd be really grateful, because I just can't figure out Venus' motives. With advance thanks, Josh Spero. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 13:26:51 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:05:40 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id KAA09462; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:13:38 +0000 (GMT) From: M W Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: writing book 14 In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is meant to be both a little encouraging and a little sceptical about the project of Continuation - which I think has been tentatively considered, even attempted, since the Renaissance. (There is a an excellent essay on V's own position as a continuator of Homer, by G.B. Conte, in Proceedings of the Cambridge Philological Society, 45 (1999) p.17.) Why bother - why continue something old rather than start something new? I can see that one might reply 'I want to expose the true logic of the old story' and 'I comment on something old, but I have something new to say'. There is a difficulty here: can you give effect to the old logic and the new idea at the same time? I guess that V resolves this difficulty. He offers a reading (possibly legitimate) of Homer, summarised in Diomedes' speech to Latinus' envoys, in which the Trojans must in the end win against the strife-torn Greeks. His new ideas concern the recurrence of Greek-style strife among the Roman heirs of Troy. We know the genius with which he puts old and new together. Can anyone now hope to do something similar? How could we make the new idea seem fresh, something more than a footnote? I would differ from you in that I think we would have to begin by abandoning the Latin language, the hexameter rhythm, even formal poetry. If there is to be an effective continuation of the Aeneid - one day I think that there will be - it will probably be a film and probably have a futuristic setting, allowing for a faithful yet reinvigorated portrayal of V's characters. There should be a great deal of scope for developing the character of Lavinia, from silence to speech, from helplessness to crucial role and in developing the triangle between her, Aeneas and Ascanius. I strike a sceptical - I hope reasoned - note about continuation in Latin. I do accept that there is something about epic which calls, even cries out, for continuation. It's part of the fascination of epic that, despite the mighty sense of overhanging divine providence, the heroes and anti-heroes often end in a thoroughly ambivalent position. To my mind this is true of Homer (at least in the Iliad), V himself, Lucan, Valerius Flaccus. Something about the logic of polytheism behind the individual thoughts or inconvenient deaths of the poets? Statius goes strongly for closure, of course: is that why Dante regards him as a crypto-Christian? - With good wishes for 2001, Martin Hughes. On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am currently working on a continuation of the Aeneid in Latin Dactylic > Hexameter. If anyone out there has attempted this task or is currently doing > the same, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. I am about forty > lines into the project. > > Vale > > Russell Beneke > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 08:58:37 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 02:07:40 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id XAA18119; Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:28:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:21:58 +0100 From: Monique Bouquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: "Remove" Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Accept-Language: fr References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host smtp-abo-5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.58] claimed to be mahonia.wanadoo.fr Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monique Bouquet wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE MAILINGS, SIMPLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND PUT > > "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT. > > > > 142 MILLION > > EMAIL ADDRESSES > > FOR ONLY $149 > > > > > > You want to make some money? > > > > I can put you in touch with over 140 million people at virtually no cost. > > > > Can you make one cent from each of theses names? > > > > If you can you have a profit of over $1,400,000.00 > > > > That's right, I have over 142 Million Fresh email > > > > addresses that I will sell for only $149. 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If you can not > > > > see the just how excellent the risk / reward ratio > > > > in this offer is then there is nothing I can do > > > > for you. To make money you must stop dreaming > > > > and TAKE ACTION. > > > > **************************************** > > > > THE BRONZE MARKETING SETUP > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > ready to mail!!! > > > > $149.00 > > > > **************************************** > > > > THE SILVER MARKETING SETUP > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > ready to mail!!! AND > > > > Several different email programs > > > > and tools to help with your mailings > > > > and list management. > > > > $ 189.00 > > > > **************************************** > > > > THE GOLD MARKETING SETUP > > > > VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING!! > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > ready to mail!!! AND > > > > Several different email programs > > > > and tools to help with your mailings > > > > and list management. > > > > AND > > > > Over 500 different Business Reports > > > > now being sold on the Internet for up to > > > > $100 each. You get full rights to resell these > > > > reports. > > > > With this package you get the email addresses, > > > > the software to mail them AND ready to sell > > > > information products. > > > > AND ...... > > > > .. a collection of the 100 best money making > > > > adds currently floating around on the Internet. > > > > $ 249 > > > > ************************************************************* > > SEVERAL WAYS TO ORDER !!! > > > > IF YOU ORDER BY PHONE OR FAX WE WILL SHIP YOUR CD CONTAINING THE 142 > > MILLION + NAMES WITHIN 12 HOURS OF YOUR ORDER!!! > > > > > > WE ACCEPT: AMERICAN EXPRESS, VISA & MASTERCARD > > > > TYPE OF CARD AMX / VISA / MC??_______________ > > > > EXPIRATION DATE ___________________________ > > > > NAME ON CREDIT CARD________________________ > > > > CREDIT CARD #________________________________ > > > > BILLING ADDRESS ____________________________ > > > > CITY_________________________________________ > > > > STATE________________ZIP_____________________ > > > > PHONE INCLUDE AREA CODE___________________ > > > > EMAIL ADDRESS______________________________ > > > > WE WILL BILL selected amount to your account plus one of the > > > > following shipping costs: > > > > SHIPPING COST OF 3.85 FIRST CLASS MAIL > > > > SHIPPING COST OF 15.00 24 HOUR EXPRESS MAIL / FEDERAL EXPRESS > > > > + SALES TAX added where required > > > > 1) FAX your order and a copy of your SIGNED check payable to > > > > Cyberdata for the appropriate amount to 530-343-1808. > > > > 2) Fax the same above requested credit card information to > > > > 530-343-1808. > > > > > > 3) Call phone # 530-343-9681. This is a 24 hour phone > > > > number to place a CREDIT CARD order. This is an ORDER LINE > > > > only. > > > > ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR YOU TO SUCCESSFULLY MAIL QUICKLY, PROPERLY, & > > LEGALLY IS PROVIDED WITH YOUE ORDER. > > > > Copyright 2000 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 08:58:44 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:16:09 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id AAA22950; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 00:27:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:21:26 +0200 From: Roland Chaftari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: Remove Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: Monique Bouquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:26 AM Subject: VIRGIL: Remove > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE MAILINGS, SIMPLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND PUT "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT. > > > > 142 MILLION > > EMAIL ADDRESSES > > FOR ONLY $149 > > > > > > You want to make some money? > > > > I can put you in touch with over 140 million people at virtually no cost. > > > > Can you make one cent from each of theses names? > > > > If you can you have a profit of over $1,400,000.00 > > > > That's right, I have over 142 Million Fresh email > > > > addresses that I will sell for only $149. These are all > > > > fresh addresses that include almost every person > > > > on the Internet today, with no duplications. They are > > > > all sorted and ready to be mailed. That is the best > > > > deal anywhere today! Imagine selling a product for > > > > only $5 and getting only a 1% response. That's OVER > > > > $7,000,000 IN YOUR POCKET !!! > > > > Don't believe it? People are making that kind of > > > > money right now by doing the same thing, that is > > > > why you get so much email from people selling you > > > > their product....it works! I will even tell you how to > > > > mail them with easy to follow step-by-step > > > > instructions I include with every order. > > > > I will send you a copy of every law concerning > > > > email. It is easy to obey the law and make a > > > > fortune. These 142 Million email addresses are > > > > yours to keep, so you can use them over and > > > > over. They come on a collection of several CDs. > > > > This offer is not for everyone. If you can not > > > > see the just how excellent the risk / reward ratio > > > > in this offer is then there is nothing I can do > > > > for you. To make money you must stop dreaming > > > > and TAKE ACTION. > > > > **************************************** > > > > THE BRONZE MARKETING SETUP > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > ready to mail!!! > > > > $149.00 > > > > **************************************** > > > > THE SILVER MARKETING SETUP > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > ready to mail!!! AND > > > > Several different email programs > > > > and tools to help with your mailings > > > > and list management. > > > > $ 189.00 > > > > **************************************** > > > > THE GOLD MARKETING SETUP > > > > VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING!! > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > ready to mail!!! AND > > > > Several different email programs > > > > and tools to help with your mailings > > > > and list management. > > > > AND > > > > Over 500 different Business Reports > > > > now being sold on the Internet for up to > > > > $100 each. You get full rights to resell these > > > > reports. > > > > With this package you get the email addresses, > > > > the software to mail them AND ready to sell > > > > information products. > > > > AND ...... > > > > .. a collection of the 100 best money making > > > > adds currently floating around on the Internet. > > > > $ 249 > > > > ************************************************************* > > SEVERAL WAYS TO ORDER !!! > > > > IF YOU ORDER BY PHONE OR FAX WE WILL SHIP YOUR CD CONTAINING THE 142 MILLION + NAMES WITHIN 12 HOURS OF YOUR ORDER!!! > > > > > > WE ACCEPT: AMERICAN EXPRESS, VISA & MASTERCARD > > > > TYPE OF CARD AMX / VISA / MC??_______________ > > > > EXPIRATION DATE ___________________________ > > > > NAME ON CREDIT CARD________________________ > > > > CREDIT CARD #________________________________ > > > > BILLING ADDRESS ____________________________ > > > > CITY_________________________________________ > > > > STATE________________ZIP_____________________ > > > > PHONE INCLUDE AREA CODE___________________ > > > > EMAIL ADDRESS______________________________ > > > > WE WILL BILL selected amount to your account plus one of the > > > > following shipping costs: > > > > SHIPPING COST OF 3.85 FIRST CLASS MAIL > > > > SHIPPING COST OF 15.00 24 HOUR EXPRESS MAIL / FEDERAL EXPRESS > > > > + SALES TAX added where required > > > > 1) FAX your order and a copy of your SIGNED check payable to > > > > Cyberdata for the appropriate amount to 530-343-1808. > > > > 2) Fax the same above requested credit card information to > > > > 530-343-1808. > > > > > > 3) Call phone # 530-343-9681. This is a 24 hour phone > > > > number to place a CREDIT CARD order. This is an ORDER LINE > > > > only. > > > > ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR YOU TO SUCCESSFULLY MAIL QUICKLY, PROPERLY, & LEGALLY IS PROVIDED WITH YOUE ORDER. > > > > Copyright 2000 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 08:58:57 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:41:34 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id FAA21534; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 05:56:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:56:37 -0500 From: Sarah Prybylski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: Remove Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Accept-Language: en References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Roland Chaftari wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Monique Bouquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:26 AM > Subject: VIRGIL: Remove > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE MAILINGS, SIMPLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND PUT > "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT. > > > > > > 142 MILLION > > > EMAIL ADDRESSES > > > FOR ONLY $149 > > > > > > > > > You want to make some money? > > > > > > I can put you in touch with over 140 million people at virtually no > cost. > > > > > > Can you make one cent from each of theses names? > > > > > > If you can you have a profit of over $1,400,000.00 > > > > > > That's right, I have over 142 Million Fresh email > > > > > > addresses that I will sell for only $149. These are all > > > > > > fresh addresses that include almost every person > > > > > > on the Internet today, with no duplications. They are > > > > > > all sorted and ready to be mailed. That is the best > > > > > > deal anywhere today! Imagine selling a product for > > > > > > only $5 and getting only a 1% response. That's OVER > > > > > > $7,000,000 IN YOUR POCKET !!! > > > > > > Don't believe it? People are making that kind of > > > > > > money right now by doing the same thing, that is > > > > > > why you get so much email from people selling you > > > > > > their product....it works! I will even tell you how to > > > > > > mail them with easy to follow step-by-step > > > > > > instructions I include with every order. > > > > > > I will send you a copy of every law concerning > > > > > > email. It is easy to obey the law and make a > > > > > > fortune. These 142 Million email addresses are > > > > > > yours to keep, so you can use them over and > > > > > > over. They come on a collection of several CDs. > > > > > > This offer is not for everyone. If you can not > > > > > > see the just how excellent the risk / reward ratio > > > > > > in this offer is then there is nothing I can do > > > > > > for you. To make money you must stop dreaming > > > > > > and TAKE ACTION. > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > THE BRONZE MARKETING SETUP > > > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > > > ready to mail!!! > > > > > > $149.00 > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > THE SILVER MARKETING SETUP > > > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > > > ready to mail!!! AND > > > > > > Several different email programs > > > > > > and tools to help with your mailings > > > > > > and list management. > > > > > > $ 189.00 > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > THE GOLD MARKETING SETUP > > > > > > VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING!! > > > > > > 142,000,000 email addresses on CD > > > > > > These name are all in text files > > > > > > ready to mail!!! AND > > > > > > Several different email programs > > > > > > and tools to help with your mailings > > > > > > and list management. > > > > > > AND > > > > > > Over 500 different Business Reports > > > > > > now being sold on the Internet for up to > > > > > > $100 each. You get full rights to resell these > > > > > > reports. > > > > > > With this package you get the email addresses, > > > > > > the software to mail them AND ready to sell > > > > > > information products. > > > > > > AND ...... > > > > > > .. a collection of the 100 best money making > > > > > > adds currently floating around on the Internet. > > > > > > $ 249 > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > SEVERAL WAYS TO ORDER !!! > > > > > > IF YOU ORDER BY PHONE OR FAX WE WILL SHIP YOUR CD CONTAINING THE 142 > MILLION + NAMES WITHIN 12 HOURS OF YOUR ORDER!!! > > > > > > > > > WE ACCEPT: AMERICAN EXPRESS, VISA & MASTERCARD > > > > > > TYPE OF CARD AMX / VISA / MC??_______________ > > > > > > EXPIRATION DATE ___________________________ > > > > > > NAME ON CREDIT CARD________________________ > > > > > > CREDIT CARD #________________________________ > > > > > > BILLING ADDRESS ____________________________ > > > > > > CITY_________________________________________ > > > > > > STATE________________ZIP_____________________ > > > > > > PHONE INCLUDE AREA CODE___________________ > > > > > > EMAIL ADDRESS______________________________ > > > > > > WE WILL BILL selected amount to your account plus one of the > > > > > > following shipping costs: > > > > > > SHIPPING COST OF 3.85 FIRST CLASS MAIL > > > > > > SHIPPING COST OF 15.00 24 HOUR EXPRESS MAIL / FEDERAL EXPRESS > > > > > > + SALES TAX added where required > > > > > > 1) FAX your order and a copy of your SIGNED check payable to > > > > > > Cyberdata for the appropriate amount to 530-343-1808. > > > > > > 2) Fax the same above requested credit card information to > > > > > > 530-343-1808. > > > > > > > > > 3) Call phone # 530-343-9681. This is a 24 hour phone > > > > > > number to place a CREDIT CARD order. This is an ORDER LINE > > > > > > only. > > > > > > ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR YOU TO SUCCESSFULLY MAIL QUICKLY, > PROPERLY, & LEGALLY IS PROVIDED WITH YOUE ORDER. > > > > > > Copyright 2000 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > > > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > > > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > > > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 11:40:05 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:18:27 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id HAA03510; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:18:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:18:49 -0600 From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: spam and remove Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again, my apologies for the spam that got through to the list this morning (one of about a dozen attempts today, if you can believe it). This seems to be happening more often, unfortunately. As you've no doubt realized, replying to the message doesn't actually remove you from anything -- your remove message just gets broadcast to the group. The good news is, _your_ email address was never on the spammer's mailing list. So that we don't get barraged with anymore remove attempts, I'm going to shut down the list for a day or so. The remove attempts (and everything else) will go directly to my mailbox and I'll sort it out from there. I remain Yours faithfully, David Wilson-Okamura Listowner, Mantovano ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. David Wilson-Okamura (651) 696-6643 [EMAIL PROTECTED] English Dept., Macalester College, 1600 Grand Ave., St. Paul, MN 55105 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 12:25:28 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:50:46 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id IAA24049; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:58:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:57:52 +0100 (MET) From: Sandra Schira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: remove Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk X-Authenticated-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authenticated-IP: [195.147.5.86] X-Flags: 0001 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 08:58:58 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:45:29 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id GAA22136; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 06:01:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:05:05 -0800 From: paul ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Remove Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: Monique Bouquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: VIRGIL: Remove > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE MAILINGS, SIMPLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND PUT "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT. > > > > 142 MILLION > > EMAIL ADDRESSES > > FOR ONLY $149 > > > > > > You want to make some money? > > > > I can put you in touch with over 140 million people at virtually no cost. > > > > Can you make one cent from each of theses names? > > > > If you can you have a profit of over $1,400,000.00 > > > > That's right, I have over 142 Million Fresh email > > > > addresses that I will sell for only $149. 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This is a 24 hour phone > > > > number to place a CREDIT CARD order. This is an ORDER LINE > > > > only. > > > > ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR YOU TO SUCCESSFULLY MAIL QUICKLY, PROPERLY, & LEGALLY IS PROVIDED WITH YOUE ORDER. > > > > Copyright 2000 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 12:25:32 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:23:40 CDT Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id JAA29060; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:23:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:22:06 +0100 (CET) From: claire tsedri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: spam and remove Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit�: > Once again, my apologies for the spam that got > through to the list this > morning (one of about a dozen attempts today, if you > can believe it). This > seems to be happening more often, unfortunately. > > As you've no doubt realized, replying to the message > doesn't actually > remove you from anything -- your remove message just > gets broadcast to the > group. The good news is, _your_ email address was > never on the spammer's > mailing list. > > So that we don't get barraged with anymore remove > attempts, I'm going to > shut down the list for a day or so. The remove > attempts (and everything > else) will go directly to my mailbox and I'll sort > it out from there. I remain > > Yours faithfully, > David Wilson-Okamura > Listowner, Mantovano > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. David Wilson-Okamura (651) 696-6643 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > English Dept., Macalester College, 1600 Grand Ave., > St. Paul, MN 55105 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do > NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the > quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Pour dialoguer en direct avec vos amis, Yahoo! 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You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 08 12:25:31 2001 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wilsoninet.com ([192.41.8.139]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:03:24 CDT Received: from servidor.podernet.com.mx (podernet.com.mx [200.36.1.10]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id KAA07249; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by servidor.podernet.com.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21652; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:08:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:08:41 -0600 From: Punish Nodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: spam and remove In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: junk X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Authentication-warning: wilsoninet.com: Host podernet.com.mx [200.36.1.10] claimed to be servidor.podernet.com.mx Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] >--- David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit�: >> Once again, my apologies for the spam that got >> through to the list this >> morning (one of about a dozen attempts today, if you >> can believe it). This >> seems to be happening more often, unfortunately. >> >> As you've no doubt realized, replying to the message >> doesn't actually >> remove you from anything -- your remove message just >> gets broadcast to the >> group. The good news is, _your_ email address was >> never on the spammer's >> mailing list. >> >> So that we don't get barraged with anymore remove >> attempts, I'm going to >> shut down the list for a day or so. The remove >> attempts (and everything >> else) will go directly to my mailbox and I'll sort >> it out from there. I remain >> >> Yours faithfully, >> David Wilson-Okamura >> Listowner, Mantovano >> >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dr. David Wilson-Okamura (651) 696-6643 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> English Dept., Macalester College, 1600 Grand Ave., >> St. Paul, MN 55105 >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do >> NOT hit reply. >> Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >> the message >> "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the >> quotation marks). You >> can also unsubscribe at >http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >___________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? -- Pour dialoguer en direct avec vos amis, >Yahoo! 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