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I stand corrected. "Later State" is more accurate. The sizes are from the descriptions in the sources. There is no indication as to how the measurements were made. Do you have access to either of the maps? I have looked at my copy of the Salamanca and compared it to the Sotheby catalogue photo of the Camocio and that is how I came to my conclusion that the Camocio is a later state rather than a simple copy. I don't know how one makes the differential. Interestingly, in going through my Maphist correspondence I found a posting I had made Mon Sep 21 23:05:34 CEST 2009 ?? "Has anyone noted that the 1500 Anonymous Holy Land map listed as #67 in the Lafreri Atlas in the Bibliotheca Nazionale Marciana is almost exactly like the later 1548 Rome Holy Land map by Salamanca?" Unfortunately I can't find on-line the Anonymous Holy Land map that I referred to. AM Alfred Moldovan, MD 444 Central Park West New York, NY 10025 Tel. 212.865.2828 Fax: 212.865.3111 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cook, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:50 AM To: Discussion group for map history Subject: RE: [MapHist] Lafreri Holy land maps This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Usually better to posit that the impression you have represents 'a later state' rather than 'a second state' (or, worse, 'the second state') of the plate, unless you know for a fact that there was no additional interference by an engraver, resulting in an intermediate state, between the states you are comparing. Unless, of course, you're using 'second' in the rigid Latin sense of 'secundus' = 'following'. Curious, too, that the plate seems to have become taller and narrower (or wider and shorter) over time. Or is it just different damping and shrinkage of paper? What did you measure, please? ________________________________ Andrew S Cook PhD FRHistS FRSA Map Archivist, India Office Records Asia, Pacific & Africa Collections T +44 (0) 20 7412 7828 F +44 (0) 20 7412 7641 The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB www.bl.uk ________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alfred Moldovan Sent: 14 April 2010 10:26 To: 'Discussion group for map history' Cc: Rubin Ayelet; [email protected] Subject: RE: [MapHist] Lafreri Holy land maps I have just examined the two maps on-line side by side on two screens and there is no question that the Camacio 1568 (273mm X 491mm) is a second state of the Salamanca 1548 (261mm X 510mm). Has anyone commented on this in any publication? AM Alfred Moldovan, MD 444 Central Park West New York, NY 10025 Tel. 212.865.2828 Fax: 212.865.3111 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alfred Moldovan Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MapHist] Lafreri Holy land maps I just had the occasion to compare the Lafrerei Salamanca 1548 Holy Land, to the Lafreri Camacio 1568 (#3 Sotheby London Auction 5/6/2010). Except for the "waves" in the Mediterranean, they are almost exactly the same. Did Camacio copy Salamanca or even use the same plate? Anybody have any information? AM Alfred Moldovan, MD 444 Central Park West New York, NY 10025 Tel. 212.865.2828 Fax: 212.865.3111 _______________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist _______________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
