Dick,
 
Perfectly put.  Very few of us use anywhere near the potential of any software; we learn what is necessary to do our tasks and complete our mission. 
 
It is great to be innovative but a couple of old expressions sum up the risk..."The first guy on the beach gets the bullet" and "The leading edge of the sword has the most nicks." 
 
I like to remember the lesson of Levi Strauss.  As thousands gallumphed into the western horizon to grab the first chunk of gold, Levi loaded his goods in a slow wagon team and followed to sell them the standard commodities they would still need.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Hoskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Berk Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: MI Best GIS for dollar

My cost of maintaining various editions of MI, with V Mapper and data versus Maptitude and Surfer 6 and 7 and both product's programming languages is 8 to 1. MI is around because my users had MI - although no longer - ESRI made them a deal they couldn't refuse. So maybe I won't upgrade. However if you have a job to do, saving money on software and upgrades can certainly be a false economy. It of course depends on the job.
 
However, not every GIS user is a developer, or ever cares to make a GIS app beyond using the programming language to automate their own task to support. There are a lot of people who need almost industrial strength GIS tools to work on particular problems and get things done. Maptitude and Manifold could fill this void. What I hear from Manifold and Maptitude sure indicates that they are not exactly stuck ... new things are going to appear which I don't think ESRI or MI are capable of doing now because they are "stuck" in a GIS paradigm that won't be here in 5 years.
 
Of courser, it depends on what you need to do, and I would submit that a whole lot of people are spending $1400 when they could be spending $400. Seems that MI is not exactly preparing for when folks figure that out.
 
Dick Hoskins
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From: "Berk Charlton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: MI Best GIS for dollar

> For what it's worth -
>
> Overall, I have to agree that Maptitude is the best generic GIS value.  Great
> data set, good functionality, fabulous import/export capability, built in
> routing, etc.
>
> But there are still plenty of reasons to go with other more expensive packages.
>
> A major factor in deciding which GIS use for many of us is the 3rd party tools
> available.  Mapinfo and Arcview both have hundreds of free public domain
> utilities and programs available, and dozens more for sale.  Practically any
> vertical market need a user has, from site selection to watershed analysis, has
> been covered by the third party developer and VAR channel.
>
> Maptitude is really deficient here, even though the package has a good
> programming language.  Maptitude's sale price is so low that Caliper can't
> afford to have a decent reseller program (nor have they ever tried hard to
> cultivate one), which forces them to try to do everything in-house.  Hence, they
> have a good generic package, but very little vertical market tools or
> penetration.  Routing applications are the one exception, which Caliper has
> developed in-house.
>
> And there's something to be said for critical mass.  ESRI and Mapinfo have most
> of the market share, most of the trained GIS users, and most of the installed
> base. If your company is making mission critical decisions with GIS, and you
> need to find trained GIS users with experience in your particular industry, the
> extra expense of going with an established market leader is inconsequential
> compared to the risk of making bad operational decisions by trying to save a few
> bucks up front.
>
> Berk Charlton
> Geographic Marketing Solutions.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leore, Robert
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:41 AM
> > To: MapInfo-L
> > Subject: RE: MI Best GIS for dollar
> >
> >
> > Maptitude by Caliper is the best GIS for the dollar.  At US$395 it is the
> > cheapest path to a full-featured GIS.  I used to use MI but I now use
> > Maptitude and its big brother TransCAD exclusively.  Check these programs
> > out at
www.caliper.com.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I have been reading the threads on MI and ArcView in the same office and
> > > am
> > > > interested in peoples opinions as to value.  I am considering purchase
> > > of a
> > > > GIS  but would like info on value vs functionality.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone suggest a GIS system that gives the best 'bang for your buck'
> > > > for business applications such as demographic studies, network analysis
> > > and
> > > > has decent spatial modeling capabilities? Map Design and layout
> > > > capabilities are important also.
> > > >
> > > > I have used ArcInfo and ArcView but realise there are other systems such
> > > as
> > > > MI, Esri Atlas GIS and Manifold.  Unfortunately, as everyone knows many
> > > > systems lack basic functionality required to complete a project and
> > > either
> > > > you need to buy expensive 'add-on' modules or use a different program to
> > > > complete the project.
> > > >
> > > > For example, what does the Esri Atlas GIS give that you cannot do with
> > > > ArcView and a business add-on? Manifold claims it does way more than MI.
> > > > Are there users experienced with several of these systems that could
> > > shed
> > > > some light on the relative strengths and weaknesses of these systems?
> > > >
> > > > Is one of these systems head and shoulders above the rest?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Shepherd Stewart
> > >
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