Related: I've renamed THANKS to CONTRIBUTORS in the source. And instead of entering advocates into a "hall of fame", I'll be adding them to this file. The logic goes: if they've earned enough to redeem this reward, they're obviously a contributor to the project.
But what about people who contribute a lot but don't redeem the reward? Well, I'll make the reward "perkable", meaning I can bestow it on advocates who have made some particularly impressive contributions. On 31 October 2014 18:38, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > So, I actually brought up the idea of dedicating the release on a dev@ > thread. The only people to respond there were +1 on the idea. But Jan > and Lena are -1 one on the idea here and have requested we put this > reward on hold. I still think it would be a good idea, but I'm happy > to put the idea on the back burner. I'll also table the "name the > news" idea. We can revisit in the future. > > Thanks for the feedback folks. > > On 31 October 2014 14:15, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: >> On 31 October 2014 13:30, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> > On 31 Oct 2014, at 09:25 , Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Jan, >>> > >>> > this is a very fair point. But I think it could be avoided if we add sth. >>> > like "Thanks to all the awesome work of the contributors, this release is >>> > again so cool ..." If there is a very big part created by one person, why >>> > not name him also? >>> >>> Or her. It puts focus on things that are shippable. It shadows things that >>> go on in the background, that are essential, say JIRA triaging or Pull >>> Request Reviews. Someone might spend more time on that than someone else >>> with a big new feature and they wouldn’t get credit. I’d like to avoid >>> that, >>> and I think we have plenty of good incentives. It’s not that we are at a >>> loss as to what to offer people. >>> >> >> sry - for sure her also. I do understand this. Again, dedicating a release >> does not have to do anything with value compared to other contributions. >> But I see the point that this could be viewed from the outside in that way. >> What would be wrong. >> >> >>> > But on the other hand, we have the contributors list and >>> > the people earn respect because they can be found in the commit history. >>> > The developers working on CouchDB do it, because they believe in the >>> > project and want to help creating awesome software. Not to see their name >>> > in any special announcement. At least, that's the point for me. >>> >>> Exactly, we should value people because they are committed to CouchDB, >>> regardless of their contribution. Highlighting some people in the community >>> creates a disparity that can have very adverse effects on a community. >>> >> >> That is very true. You are right. >> >> >>> > So I can understand your (and Lena's) concerns but I personally do not >>> see >>> > this a s such a big issue. >>> >>> Both Lena and I had some experience with this this year in a community of >>> six people and avoiding a mix of “shipping culture” and “hero worship” and >>> instead a focus on people made all the difference for us. >>> >> >> sorry to hear that. I would be more than sad if the outcome of this >> marketing idea would be something like this. With this knowledge, I am >> starting to be convinced, that the idea could result in problems for the >> community. I am strongly against taking this risk. >> >> >>> > Maybe we could make a quick questionnaire (Google form thingy?) on dev@ >>> > to get a feeling for this? >>> >>> Why is there a need to push this through? We have plenty of rewards for >>> AdvocateHub. Let’s get that out and see how it goes. If we need to dial >>> up the reward-meter, let’s get back together and think about what we can >>> offer. >>> >> >> Because it is good to know how we can rise the reward-meter from the >> beginning. That was the idea. Keep it open and learn what the community >> thinks about this. But .... >> >> >> I hear you! I am now at the point top agree, that we should start with the >> other rewards. Thanls for taking the time to outline this very clearly <3 :) >> >> >>> Best >>> Jan >>> -- >>> >> >> So I am -0 with the idea to dedicate releases at this moment. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andy >> >>> On 30 October 2014 17:43, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:37 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan/Lena, could you expand a little on why you don't like the idea of >>> >>> dedicating a release? >>> >> >>> >> I fear that someone who built a significant feature for a release would >>> >> feel they need recognition as well, but they don’t because they aren’t >>> >> reflected in this (AFAIK). If we get into dedicated specific code- >>> >> contributors, where do we do the cutoff? What about people who not write >>> >> features, but review every pull request? It gets messy fast. I don’t >>> want >>> >> to get into that. Plus there are plenty of great rewards already and I’m >>> >> sure once this is rolling, we will think of a lot more, too :) >>> >> >>> >> Best >>> >> Jan >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm thinking it would be a small para at the bottom of the release >>> >>> announcement, something like this: >>> >>> >>> >>> "This release is dedicated to the following advocates as a thank you >>> >>> for helping grow the community: Alice, Bob, Chris" >>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps we could even add some sort of clarification as to why they're >>> >>> being thanked. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lena, for naming the release: we can exercise editorial control by >>> >>> simply saying "that's not gonna fly, pick a different name." Would >>> >>> that allay your concerns? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30 October 2014 17:11, Lena Reinhard <l...@thehoodiefirm.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Also like all of them, except >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> - Have a release dedicated to you >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I'd rather avoid that, as it sets the reward at a wrong place, imo. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> - Name the weekly news >>> >>>> >>> >>>> My main issue with this is that I fear running into discussions what >>> is >>> >> appropriate as a name (in terms of our bylaws and CoC (which wouldn't >>> have >>> >> to be a discussion then at all), but also in terms of marketing. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Rest looks great from my side. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 16:51, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> I like them al except “Have a release dedicated to you” :) >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 16:41 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Hello, >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I'd like to set up the following rewards. Please review. If nobody >>> >>>>>> objects to this email, I will assume consensus. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Lena, a few of these relate to the weekly news, so I'm hoping you >>> can >>> >>>>>> look it over specifically in case you have any objections or >>> >>>>>> suggestions for improvement! >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - #FollowFriday >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> We include the advocate in a #FollowFriday tweet sent from @CouchDB. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Individual Twitter thank you >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> We post a tweet from @CouchDB, individually thanking the advocate. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Thank you in the weekly news >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> We include the advocate's name on a list of people we're thanking in >>> >>>>>> the next weekly news. (This would appear at the bottom of the post.) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Individual profile in the weekly news >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> We add a short para, no longer than a tweet (perhaps?) to the bottom >>> >>>>>> of the weekly news, in a special thanks section (or similar). >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Get featured on the website >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Join the list of featured advocates on our main homepage. We'd keep >>> X >>> >>>>>> advocates here, removing people off as new people join. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> (This actually doubles as recruitment for new advocates.) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Enter the Hall of Fame >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> The advocates name is added to the ADVOCATES file in the root of the >>> >>>>>> main CouchDB repository. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Have a release dedicated to you >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> The advocates name is added to a list of people that our next >>> release >>> >>>>>> is dedicated to. This will appear at the bottom of the release >>> >>>>>> announcement. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> - Name the weekly news >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> The advocate gets to pick a fun name for the next weekly news. This >>> is >>> >>>>>> included at the top of the weekly news in the style of "aka the X >>> >>>>>> update" or similar. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> (This is just a small selection of the rewards, focusing here on >>> >>>>>> recognition. I have other ideas, but I don't want to swap you.) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Noah Slater >>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Noah Slater >>> >>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Andy Wenk >>> > Hamburg - Germany >>> > RockIt! >>> > >>> > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>> > >>> > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Andy Wenk >> Hamburg - Germany >> RockIt! >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater
