Just for the record, I replied only here because at the time I had time to do so, the thread had been moved on from dev@.
Best Jan -- > On 31 Oct 2014, at 18:38 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > > So, I actually brought up the idea of dedicating the release on a dev@ > thread. The only people to respond there were +1 on the idea. But Jan > and Lena are -1 one on the idea here and have requested we put this > reward on hold. I still think it would be a good idea, but I'm happy > to put the idea on the back burner. I'll also table the "name the > news" idea. We can revisit in the future. > > Thanks for the feedback folks. > > On 31 October 2014 14:15, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: >> On 31 October 2014 13:30, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> >>>> On 31 Oct 2014, at 09:25 , Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jan, >>>> >>>> this is a very fair point. But I think it could be avoided if we add sth. >>>> like "Thanks to all the awesome work of the contributors, this release is >>>> again so cool ..." If there is a very big part created by one person, why >>>> not name him also? >>> >>> Or her. It puts focus on things that are shippable. It shadows things that >>> go on in the background, that are essential, say JIRA triaging or Pull >>> Request Reviews. Someone might spend more time on that than someone else >>> with a big new feature and they wouldn’t get credit. I’d like to avoid >>> that, >>> and I think we have plenty of good incentives. It’s not that we are at a >>> loss as to what to offer people. >>> >> >> sry - for sure her also. I do understand this. Again, dedicating a release >> does not have to do anything with value compared to other contributions. >> But I see the point that this could be viewed from the outside in that way. >> What would be wrong. >> >> >>>> But on the other hand, we have the contributors list and >>>> the people earn respect because they can be found in the commit history. >>>> The developers working on CouchDB do it, because they believe in the >>>> project and want to help creating awesome software. Not to see their name >>>> in any special announcement. At least, that's the point for me. >>> >>> Exactly, we should value people because they are committed to CouchDB, >>> regardless of their contribution. Highlighting some people in the community >>> creates a disparity that can have very adverse effects on a community. >>> >> >> That is very true. You are right. >> >> >>>> So I can understand your (and Lena's) concerns but I personally do not >>> see >>>> this a s such a big issue. >>> >>> Both Lena and I had some experience with this this year in a community of >>> six people and avoiding a mix of “shipping culture” and “hero worship” and >>> instead a focus on people made all the difference for us. >>> >> >> sorry to hear that. I would be more than sad if the outcome of this >> marketing idea would be something like this. With this knowledge, I am >> starting to be convinced, that the idea could result in problems for the >> community. I am strongly against taking this risk. >> >> >>>> Maybe we could make a quick questionnaire (Google form thingy?) on dev@ >>>> to get a feeling for this? >>> >>> Why is there a need to push this through? We have plenty of rewards for >>> AdvocateHub. Let’s get that out and see how it goes. If we need to dial >>> up the reward-meter, let’s get back together and think about what we can >>> offer. >>> >> >> Because it is good to know how we can rise the reward-meter from the >> beginning. That was the idea. Keep it open and learn what the community >> thinks about this. But .... >> >> >> I hear you! I am now at the point top agree, that we should start with the >> other rewards. Thanls for taking the time to outline this very clearly <3 :) >> >> >>> Best >>> Jan >>> -- >>> >> >> So I am -0 with the idea to dedicate releases at this moment. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andy >> >>> On 30 October 2014 17:43, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:37 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan/Lena, could you expand a little on why you don't like the idea of >>>>>> dedicating a release? >>>>> >>>>> I fear that someone who built a significant feature for a release would >>>>> feel they need recognition as well, but they don’t because they aren’t >>>>> reflected in this (AFAIK). If we get into dedicated specific code- >>>>> contributors, where do we do the cutoff? What about people who not write >>>>> features, but review every pull request? It gets messy fast. I don’t >>> want >>>>> to get into that. Plus there are plenty of great rewards already and I’m >>>>> sure once this is rolling, we will think of a lot more, too :) >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Jan >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm thinking it would be a small para at the bottom of the release >>>>>> announcement, something like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> "This release is dedicated to the following advocates as a thank you >>>>>> for helping grow the community: Alice, Bob, Chris" >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps we could even add some sort of clarification as to why they're >>>>>> being thanked. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lena, for naming the release: we can exercise editorial control by >>>>>> simply saying "that's not gonna fly, pick a different name." Would >>>>>> that allay your concerns? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:11, Lena Reinhard <l...@thehoodiefirm.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> Also like all of them, except >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Have a release dedicated to you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd rather avoid that, as it sets the reward at a wrong place, imo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Name the weekly news >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My main issue with this is that I fear running into discussions what >>> is >>>>> appropriate as a name (in terms of our bylaws and CoC (which wouldn't >>> have >>>>> to be a discussion then at all), but also in terms of marketing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rest looks great from my side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 16:51, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I like them al except “Have a release dedicated to you” :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 16:41 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to set up the following rewards. Please review. If nobody >>>>>>>>> objects to this email, I will assume consensus. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lena, a few of these relate to the weekly news, so I'm hoping you >>> can >>>>>>>>> look it over specifically in case you have any objections or >>>>>>>>> suggestions for improvement! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - #FollowFriday >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We include the advocate in a #FollowFriday tweet sent from @CouchDB. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Individual Twitter thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We post a tweet from @CouchDB, individually thanking the advocate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Thank you in the weekly news >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We include the advocate's name on a list of people we're thanking in >>>>>>>>> the next weekly news. (This would appear at the bottom of the post.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Individual profile in the weekly news >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We add a short para, no longer than a tweet (perhaps?) to the bottom >>>>>>>>> of the weekly news, in a special thanks section (or similar). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Get featured on the website >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Join the list of featured advocates on our main homepage. We'd keep >>> X >>>>>>>>> advocates here, removing people off as new people join. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (This actually doubles as recruitment for new advocates.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Enter the Hall of Fame >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The advocates name is added to the ADVOCATES file in the root of the >>>>>>>>> main CouchDB repository. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Have a release dedicated to you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The advocates name is added to a list of people that our next >>> release >>>>>>>>> is dedicated to. This will appear at the bottom of the release >>>>>>>>> announcement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Name the weekly news >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The advocate gets to pick a fun name for the next weekly news. This >>> is >>>>>>>>> included at the top of the weekly news in the style of "aka the X >>>>>>>>> update" or similar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (This is just a small selection of the rewards, focusing here on >>>>>>>>> recognition. I have other ideas, but I don't want to swap you.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Noah Slater >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Noah Slater >>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Andy Wenk >>>> Hamburg - Germany >>>> RockIt! >>>> >>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>>> >>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Andy Wenk >> Hamburg - Germany >> RockIt! >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater
