Noah, Thanks for working to clarify the design and branding process, it will really help this effort forward. The need for this was highlighted again when a speaker at node summit mocked the guy on the couch design ( http://nodesummit.com/media/node-js-at-scale/). It was playful and fun, but was a good reminder that change is needed. I think that you have a great plan, and I hope that it's adopted. Please let me know if there is anything that I can do to help.
Thanks! -- Nick Pavlica On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Johs Ensby <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Noah, > > On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:00, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 13 March 2015 at 09:42, Johs Ensby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Brand management at the PMC level is missing > > > > What makes you say this? > This was not meant as a negative to any person, certainly not to you. > If the PMC has mandated you to take this, you are the brand manager. > > I tried to drill down from > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html < > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html> to find out if there > was any formalized, specific responsibilities and found none. > That means that it falls under the responsibility of the PMC. > They are the de facto brand managers, I agree that they are the decision > makers > Changing the brand is as important as a new release go/no-go > But, and this was my point, I dont find Brand management recorded as a > specific responsibility. > It’s all code, and who believes that branding isn’t important these days? > > > > >> To ask this list to pick a designer for them is not a step forward > > > > Well, I more meant to suggest that anyone who wishes to be on "the > > design team" step forward. And then we let whatever team assembles > > itself to just go at it, taking feedback from the community, and > > getting the final approval from the PMC. > > > > I actually think that this will reduce work, and reduce the peanut > > gallery affect. I'm not sure that design competitions are the best > > model for a brand refresh. > > Competition was maybe not the best term. > Let the designers finalize proposals to choose from, one per designer and > stage it so that it is for real, not this endless row of back and forth > discussions that lead nowhere. > For designers to make a serious contributions they need to take input from > "the client” and deliver a proper proposal. > Deadline for submission of proposals and then a serious eval process will > move this forward. > > > >> 4) PMC invite Shane Curcuru for advice on this and they decide - he is > formally responsible for what we are discussing > > > > The PMC is the "client" here. It's our call. Shane is there to assist > > us with trademarks. :) > I understand. > Again, my point was to look at who have formal responsibility and I think > he could advice and at the same time discover something important about > brand management. > It looks to me like this is unchartered waters in ASF. > Learning how to engage designers as contributers, if there are any best > practice on what we discuss here etc > > -- > > Noah Slater > > https://twitter.com/nslater > > > This discussion on process is valuable in my opinion. > johs
