Hi Noah, I think having all the people that have submitted a logo collaborate would be fantastic. Its not always easy working together but I think that would work much better than a ‘design competition’ and even better than the current process of doing nothing.
Cheers Garren > On 14 Mar 2015, at 2:38 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > To clarify, I want the process to be open to anybody! Literally: > anybody who's interested ought to express an interest. That would be > fantastic!! But once that's done, I think that team should collaborate > as a unit. > > So far, all we've had is the occasional person share an idea with the > list, and then a bunch of people express an opinion. It's great that > people are interested and are contributing. But that's not going to go > anywhere, and we're never going to reach agreement on anything. > > We need a team of people who feel empowered to just work on this > together, iterate on their ideas, taking input as necessary, and then > to present a final "this is what we want to go with" to the PMC. > > > On 14 March 2015 at 13:33, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >> The PMC is responsible for branding, as outlined in our bylaws: >> >> http://couchdb.apache.org/bylaws.html#pmc >> >> The PMC (myself and others) have been doing branding work, and talking >> about branding for many years. So this is not uncharted waters for us. >> Indeed, the current design was born of similar efforts a few years >> ago. >> >> In fact, it is this experience that is guiding me (and others on the >> PMC) when we say that we do not want to open up the design process to >> everyone, like we might do with a patch. Because we know what happens >> when you do that. We've had a number of design efforts dead in the >> water because people discussed it ad nauseam on the list. >> >> Doing design in OSS is different than writing code. It does not lend >> itself well to peer review in the same way that a patch does. Because >> *everybody* and their dog feels like they have an opinion on a design. >> >> That's why it's my preference is that people interested in working on >> a brand/design refresh collaborate amongst themselves, taking input >> from the community, and getting the final sign-off from the PMC. >> >> >> On 13 March 2015 at 20:37, Johs Ensby <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Noah, >>>> On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:00, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On 13 March 2015 at 09:42, Johs Ensby <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Brand management at the PMC level is missing >>>> >>>> What makes you say this? >>> This was not meant as a negative to any person, certainly not to you. >>> If the PMC has mandated you to take this, you are the brand manager. >>> >>> I tried to drill down from >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html >>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html> to find out if there >>> was any formalized, specific responsibilities and found none. >>> That means that it falls under the responsibility of the PMC. >>> They are the de facto brand managers, I agree that they are the decision >>> makers >>> Changing the brand is as important as a new release go/no-go >>> But, and this was my point, I dont find Brand management recorded as a >>> specific responsibility. >>> It’s all code, and who believes that branding isn’t important these days? >>> >>>> >>>>> To ask this list to pick a designer for them is not a step forward >>>> >>>> Well, I more meant to suggest that anyone who wishes to be on "the >>>> design team" step forward. And then we let whatever team assembles >>>> itself to just go at it, taking feedback from the community, and >>>> getting the final approval from the PMC. >>>> >>>> I actually think that this will reduce work, and reduce the peanut >>>> gallery affect. I'm not sure that design competitions are the best >>>> model for a brand refresh. >>> >>> Competition was maybe not the best term. >>> Let the designers finalize proposals to choose from, one per designer and >>> stage it so that it is for real, not this endless row of back and forth >>> discussions that lead nowhere. >>> For designers to make a serious contributions they need to take input from >>> "the client” and deliver a proper proposal. >>> Deadline for submission of proposals and then a serious eval process will >>> move this forward. >>>> >>>>> 4) PMC invite Shane Curcuru for advice on this and they decide - he is >>>>> formally responsible for what we are discussing >>>> >>>> The PMC is the "client" here. It's our call. Shane is there to assist >>>> us with trademarks. :) >>> I understand. >>> Again, my point was to look at who have formal responsibility and I think >>> he could advice and at the same time discover something important about >>> brand management. >>> It looks to me like this is unchartered waters in ASF. >>> Learning how to engage designers as contributers, if there are any best >>> practice on what we discuss here etc >>>> -- >>>> Noah Slater >>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >>> >>> This discussion on process is valuable in my opinion. >>> johs >> >> >> >> -- >> Noah Slater >> https://twitter.com/nslater > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater
