Just to clarify: general marketing decisions can be made on this list no problem. We're moving to dev@ because this is a big decision for the project, and we want to get as much *feedback* on this as possible. Consider this an exceptional instance. Most marketing decisions do not need running past dev@ like this.
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 09:57 Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 08 Apr 2015, at 05:13, Johs Ensby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Is this list for real or not? > > It the dev list is to cast a vote too, keep it separate. > > It’s CouchDB’s main mailing list and forum for all official project > business. > > > > > > > The logo discussion/proposal/vote is a marketing list process that has > crashed due to the simple fact that it is a first attempt. > > > > A nice learning process for the list. > > > > I would suggest: > > Go back to the announced process > > Amend it with the missing parts > > Restart on this list to conclude on the recommendation to the PMC > > The vote is already running on [email protected], subscribe by > sending an email to [email protected] > > Best > Jan > -- > > > > > > Johs > > > > > >> > >> On 07 Apr 2015, at 21:08, Alexander Shorin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Ok. The vote is cancelled. Sorry everyone! > >> See all your votes on dev ML in round #3 thread! > >> -- > >> ,,,^..^,,, > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> In addition, we should clarify the voting format. People will have to > vote on all proposals and send a +1/0/-1 (+ variations) for each one of > them. Not just pick the ones they like. > >>> > >>> Alexander’s vote in this thread is a good example. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> Jan > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 07 Apr 2015, at 19:12, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> My experience is that split thread votes tend to be quite messy. > Discussion > >>>> is missed, etc. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 19:07 Andy Wenk <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> that would be the second cancellation ;-). Why not simply resend it > to dev@ > >>>>> ? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7 April 2015 at 18:56, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Are we going to cancel this vote and re-run it on dev@? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 09:27 Nick North <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I've been away from CouchDB for a few months, so maybe my vote > should > >>>>>> only > >>>>>>> count at half weight. Echoing Jason's comment: it's great to see > the > >>>>>> effort > >>>>>>> that has gone into this. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> +1 Constantin Angheloiu > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 07:13 Jason Smith <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> +1 Constantin Angheleloiu > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks to everybody who submitted logos. I am so excited to see > this > >>>>>> sort > >>>>>>>> of community effort! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Johs Ensby <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> +1 Old logo > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The logo is the “memory chip” for the brand experience helping > the > >>>>>>>>> audience to quickly identify the brand and recall previous > >>>>>> impressions. > >>>>>>>>> Changing the logo resets our audience’s "memory chip" and you > start > >>>>>>>> pretty > >>>>>>>>> much all over again. > >>>>>>>>> I think the logo itself is good enough to take CouchDB all the > way, > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> could be strengthened by a not having to carry around a slogan or > >>>>> its > >>>>>>>>> mother brand Apache. These are separate parts of the identity > >>>>> program > >>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> have tried to illustrate here. > >>>>>>>>> https://s3.amazonaws.com/johs/couchdb-old-logo.pdf < > >>>>>>>>> https://s3.amazonaws.com/johs/couchdb-old-logo.pdf> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Constantin’s proposal is the only one that qualifies as a logo in > >>>>>>> design > >>>>>>>>> quality for me. This sofa is an icon, and as such it is > functional > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> supports the name and makes it easy to recognise and remember, > >>>>> which > >>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> most fundamental function of the logo. > >>>>>>>>> My reason for still voting on for the old one is that a sofa in > it > >>>>>> self > >>>>>>>>> does not carry the Relax or Rest message, which I would think is > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> whole > >>>>>>>>> point with “Couch” in the first place. > >>>>>>>>> The old logo is a symbol of relaxation, remove the guy and you > >>>>> have a > >>>>>>>>> furniture. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I want to say thanks to the contributors with a reason for not > >>>>> voting > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> their proposal: > >>>>>>>>> Paul Davis: This is Couch (symbol) + Couch (word) without the key > >>>>>>> message > >>>>>>>>> and the sofa dull on its own. > >>>>>>>>> Nick Pavlica: Overambitious symbolism > >>>>>>>>> Brad Noble: Looses the link to the name, and too generic a symbol > >>>>>>>>> Sean Barclay: The 3D logo makes even more of a furniture (rather > >>>>>> than a > >>>>>>>>> symbol) out of the logo. The proposal to rebrand and look at > >>>>>>> alternative > >>>>>>>>> names is the way to go if the existing logo was to be abandoned. > If > >>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>>> to start over again, we should dig deep for something really > >>>>>> valuable, > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>> for that there needs to be a process to support a multistep > >>>>> approach. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> johs > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 06 Apr 2015, at 19:09, Alexander Shorin <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> as announced in [1] we are voting on a new CouchDB logo today. > >>>>>>>>>> Multiple votes are possible. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Options to vote for: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Paul Davis: > >>>>>>>>>> http://f.cl.ly/items/3U0A1s0r361Z1Y3v1p1b/big-couch-logo.png > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Nick Pavlica: > >>>>>>>>>> Logo 1: > >>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x_MiNkTQrS8CHI7IkfzWoLbV_ > >>>>>>>> Chdpku3fnwj041rYFI/edit?usp=sharing > >>>>>>>>>> Logo 2: > >>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1tDFdIIJePNVC1UOVVxZ0FUWWM/ > >>>>>>>> view?usp=sharing > >>>>>>>>>> Logo 3: > >>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1tDFdIIJePNYlJUbFo4M2VBVXc/ > view > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Brad Noble: > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nqptqjrupj54no/2014-11-04% > >>>>>>>> 2009.54.55.jpg?dl=0 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sean Barclay: > >>>>>>>>>> https://app.box.com/s/cko5yt2hqbcbejgu2qtl > >>>>>>>>>> (Logo 1, Logo 2, Logo 3) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Constantin Angheloiu: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCSb3J9EzV3UEJ1SU41NWk2Q1E/ > >>>>>>>> view?usp=sharing > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Old logo: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/couchdb/supplement/logo/ > >>>>>>>> couchdb-logo.png > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb- > >>>>>>> marketing/201503.mbox/% > >>>>>>>> 3CCAJ1bcfHWwu%3DYhmkuP1pTwkaOHHr%3D%2B% > >>>>> 3D2xgSbGPCAafuKHw0gDQQ%40mail. > >>>>>>>> gmail.com%3E > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> ,,,^..^,,, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Andy Wenk > >>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >>>>> RockIt! > >>>>> > >>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > >>>>> > >>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >>>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Professional Support for Apache CouchDB: > >>> http://www.neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/ > >>> > > > > -- > Professional Support for Apache CouchDB: > http://www.neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/ > >
