On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 10:52 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello everyone, > Le Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:29:38 +0100, > Monfort Florian <florian.monf...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:27 +0000, Ian a écrit : > > > > I'm going to suscribe to the French mailing list ( as I am French > > > > lol ) and I think there are some people who could be interested > > > > of being representative for France. > > > > > > > > Should I talk about it ? Or is this something we should wait TDF > > > > to be a legal entity ? > > > > > > Bonjour Montfort, > > > > > > Je ne pense pas que vous avez besoin de retard. Il n'y a pas > > > beaucoup de temps si les délégués veulent obtenir du financement > > > pour la réunion par leur Agence nationale de l'UE.S'il vous plaît > > > diffuser aussi largement que possible. Cela va m'aider si ces > > > e-mail intéressés moi si je sais que la mesure de l'intérêt. > > > > > > Merci > > > > > I think it's perhaps safe to remind everyone that this "certification" > is not exactly a Document Foundation certification. First, we're in the > process of establishing the foundation; second, we need to be working > on a certification programme and I am not the only here, obviously, who > thinks it's an essential matter :-) but we need to be working on it and > give the time to do that. While I'm sure Ian has a lot of input on > this, I would like to remind everyone here that the meeting Ian > organizes is not done on behalf of the Document Foundation; as > productive as it might be. I would have loved to join myself, but am > running out of time. > > Thanks > > Charles.
Just to add to this for further clarity :-). If we are to make an EU bid for money it has to be done in February so the January date is the last realistic time that we can leave that possibility open. My involvement started with Alexandro Colorado who is the lead for the OOo Certification project (before we knew anything about LO). The big problem for the certification project is no resources (as for many things :-) ). We already have a system for accrediting qualifications that is referenced to the QCF and we already have successful grant applications to the EU for developing more generic IT qualifications and a qualifications framework for people with learning disabilities to under-pin the EQF. We have some strong partners in Malaysia where there is a policy to migrate the government admin. to FOSS. We have partners in other countries built up over several years with varying degrees of activity linked to teaching and training. We have developed the supporting technology infrastructure all based on FOSS apps and that development continues funded by certificate sales, EU grants and our own investment. It is innovative and designed to get qualifications to people who could previously not afford them and to provide a sustainable income to support free learning content and applications. It's wider than just IT and can extend to all subjects. We already provide accredited qualifications in WP, SS, DB, Drawing and Presenting. (also in web technologies, mobile technologies etc) These are simply software agnostic and we have demand for other subjects. All that changes is the context of the specific application(s). So even if LO and OOo diverged it would be a long time before the differences were such that the certification would need to be different for each. However, it might be useful for employers to know that the person did the certification in the context of LO/OOo rather than say K-Office, Google Docs or MSO. One option is for TDF to endorse the fact that the certification was achieved using LO and charge a small amount for each certificate containing that endorsement. That then provides potential for community members to get paid for providing training that leads to that endorsed certificate and to get an income stream to TDF without it having to do anything labour intensive since we can manage this on its behalf. Of course that certificate then benefits from the credibility of being issued from both the community and an Awarding Organisation accredited by at least one National Government (and some more soon), and being referenced to the new European Qualifications Framework which has a high priority for grant funding. We also have the mechanism for providing evidence and issuing and authenticating certificates in place through Drupal with some custom modules and our own LAMP stack. The exact mechanism for working with TDF/OOo has yet to be worked out but we have to move otherwise we miss the opportunity to tap into hundreds of Euros in potential grant funding. The reason for a meeting in January is to work out how we can work together in partnership to help both sets of aims (our over-arching goal is to get free on-line education to everyone in the world funded through certification). Will we submit an EU grant application(s)? Who leads those applications? How does the certification work and how is it sustained? etc. At any point TDF can make a decision whether or not it wants to work with us or not, there is no obligation to do so. Oracle has given us clearance to use the name OpenOffice.org on certificates but that is all at present and again that was before TDF became known. If anyone has any further questions, I am quite happy to answer them on or off the list. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted