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On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 20:26 Chris Whitworth, <chriswhitwort...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> It may be easy to buy without Microcrap preloaded, where you are, but here
> in Southern Poland they all said "nie ma".  To be honest, we dont need a
> new bloatware system, I still use my old 486 occasionally!  It runs ubuntu
> 12 without issues and I use it as a picture frame and to surf the net  in
> my "art studio",...... pretentious, moi?
>
> Routinely I am using a 64 bit "Prodesk" HP I bought second hand from a
> leasing recycler, for 400PLN (about 80 squid/Euros/dollars.  It came with
> Windose 7 (I think) but the first thing I did was reformat the hard drive
> for Linux with a USB stick.  It runs Mint 20 and is about 6 years old???  I
> bought it this year.  My wife has Lubuntu on her HP (it looks identical to
> me), bought from the same S/H shop 2 years ago.  We have dual screens and
> 20Mb internet.  Mostly we use them for proofreading/editing work  (I was a
> Prof of business and a chemical engineer, Vicky a medical physics person)
> -so we focus mainly on helping academics write good technical English.  We
> dont use streaming video or watch Netwix etc.
>
> We tell everybody to avoid bloatware but it is difficult.  Also Microcrap
> seem to deliberately make their system break LibreOffice.  I did a "guest
> prof" event last week and had a few minor issues with the Microcrap
> system in the lecture theatre, using it to display my slides.  .
>
> So,  I am happy to help create/run a community if the need is there
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 20:38, Gudrun Dr. Schirmer <
> gudrun.schir...@outlook.de> wrote:
>
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > there are companies, which sell Windows free hardware. I am using a
> Tuxedo
> > Laptop. Although I must admit I am using it with W10 and Microsoft Office
> > 365. But on the other hand, I am using an old Netbook, which run on W7,
> > Which I am using now with Ubuntu.
> >
> > Removing an old Windows system does not generally remove the warranty. It
> > is easy too to buy hardware without any system. It is much cheaper.
> >
> > I have no knowledge about the firmware though.
> >
> > The issue in general is that most people want the ease of use and don´t
> > see the consequences. (Very often I turn a blind eye too, as I want to
> move
> > easy through the information cloud to get what I want)
> > It is currently more time consuming to set up a system without Microsoft.
> > As long as the effort is not made early, in school f.e. young people will
> > not even know about open software. Only look at the efforts Microsoft
> makes
> > to set up systems in schools already, worldwide. Try local school open
> > software computer clubs. This would involve a lot of private effort. Now
> in
> > Corona times?
> > Munich tried to set up Linux in government offices, only to give up some
> > years later.
> >
> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-to-windows-10-why-did-munich-switch-and-why-does-it-matter/
> >
> > Warm regards
> >
> > Gudrun
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Gudrun Schirmer-Liyayi
> > Dortmund
> > Germany
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Ravi Dwivedi <r...@ravidwivedi.in>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2021 19:34
> > An: Chris Whitworth <chriswhitwort...@googlemail.com>; it...@vignoli.org
> > Cc: Marketing list <marketing@global.libreoffice.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're
> > different" part of new LibreOffice website
> >
> > On 13/12/21 7:40 pm, Chris Whitworth wrote:
> >
> >  > My suggestion is that we try to build as large a community as we can,
> > > whilst recognising that the majority will not join us.  It would help
> if
> > we  > could buy new PC's that were not already loaded with the
> Microxrap  >
> > operating system.  I went to at least 6 dealers here and could not
> > persuade  > any of them to sell me a blank system.
> >
> >  > They all said that if I deleted W10
> >  > the warranty would be invalid.
> >
> > We need to have local businesses which can sell laptops powered by free
> > software. I use one prepared by a local vendor in India which can run
> > exclusively on free software(yes, without nonfree firmware too). I wrote
> > about it here https://ravidwivedi.in/posts/liberated-computer.html. We
> > can also fund startups like Purism(by buying their devices) which sell
> > hardware powered by free software.
> >
> >  > The dirty tricks brigade are alive and  > well!
> >
> > yes, so raising awareness about the freedom part becomes important. I
> > personally won't care if removing Windows from my laptop voids the
> warranty.
> >
> > --
> > Ravi Dwivedi
> > https://ravidwivedi.in/
> > GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc
> >
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