Following Microsoft never was a good idea. Until the mobile phone revolution, MS applied horde-control for their marketing. Now the horde goes largely their own way. Only western governments stay behind.
Email is a fading out technology and is most of the time replaced by smartphone based solutions. That is why we should consider integrating signal.org and be part of the horde rather than joining the lagging behind. https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop That way we hook in all the functionality of meeting, chatting, etc. All open source, free and privacy secure. Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use the web contact form <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>. If you are known with us you can use our signal account <https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we share an cloud environment.* === Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het contactformulier <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform> gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal <https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving. Op ma 27 dec. 2021 om 22:12 schreef James Harking <james.hark...@gmail.com>: > Hi all, > > I just responded to a question on the LibreOffice reddit thread regarding > if LibreOffice needs a Outlook like application. > > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/roj4m8/who_would_love_to_see_libreoffice_include_a/ > > It appears that the vast majority of responders think it does, however > that's not my point. I'll paste what I wrote there. Maybe you guys have > some thoughts? > > Cheers, > > James > > ################# > > The short answer is of course it should, it has for 10 years and Open > Office did before it. But needing something and having the resources to do > that are not the same things.LibeOffice does not compete with Microsoft > Office, only Writer, Calc and arguably Impress are comparable to their > counterparts. > > There is not a replacement for OneNote and Teams which are the growth > applications for Microsoft. Arguably the rest are in 'maintenance mode' as > they are very mature by now. Office suites are moving to the cloud in the > mid term, desktop clients are still very important but their importance > will start to wain eventually. Next cloud see this hence why they have the > collaboration with Collabora. > > What the FLOSS Office space needs is a strong and focused working group > between applications that could help to fill the void that LibreOffice is > lacking compared to Microsoft Office such as Project Libre (Project), > Betterbird (Outlook) possibly Joplin (One Note). Goals should be agreed for > closer integration and cross promotion be emphasised. > > The sum of these individual projects will be larger than that of any > individual project going its own way. I believe that there is something > similar for the 'art' applications like GIMP, Scribus, Inkscape and Krita > with an annual conference that takes place. > > This is missing from what I can tell for the productivity space. I have > posted this previously on the LibreOffice marketing mailing list. > > If you are a management consultant it is easy to choose Microsoft because > it is all so integrated and the cost is not necessarily a hindrance in most > cases. But choosing LibreOffice forces you to look at supporting apps and > there appears to be little focus on providing an integrated solution and > that's the issue. > > To successfully compete with Microsoft and their huge resources cross > project collaboration is essential or else everyone will 'pull' in their > own way and each individual project will remain as niche as it is currently > when there is so much opportunity to really go out there and compete on not > price but user freedom and privacy which are so topical for the space > LibreOffice et al are competing in. > > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 18:09 Filipe Gomes Morgado, <fgm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Paolo, thank you for focusing on this EU "angle", and to all the others > for > > so many and so rich interventions, IMO (y). > > > > Portugal, as far as I know, and just to give easily observed data - > > information/intel -, has been working in the area of interoperability, > > since June 21, 2011. > > >> https://dre.pt/dre/detalhe/lei/36-2011-670285 > > > > On November 8, 2012, with ODF 1.1. > > >> > https://dre.pt/dre/detalhe/resolucao-conselho-ministros/91-2012-191863 > > >> https://files.dre.pt/1s/2012/11/21600/0646006465.pdf > > > > On January 5, 2018, with ODF 1.2. > > >> > > https://dre.pt/dre/detalhe/resolucao-conselho-ministros/2-2018-114457664 > > >> https://files.dre.pt/1s/2018/01/00400/0012100127.pdf > > > > IMO this means that, under normal conditions, interoperability would be > an > > issue for microsoft to worry about, and discuss within itself, and not > for > > the L.O. > > Because people deal with each other and with companies, and everyone > deals > > with government institutions. > > > > So, whoever, like me, wants to "fight" for the L.O., first or at the same > > time, will have to "fight" against the EU, Germany(von der leyen, team), > > your own national or local government, ... > > Where some of you can say: We have been there, done that, and even have > the > > T-shirts to prove it :) . > > > > On the other hand, some time ago, I saw the Board of Directors election > > videos, 2021, and they talked about lobbying in the EU, costs, etc... > > >> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4XDlEGL94&ab_channel=LibreOffice-TheDocumentFoundation > > >> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL1NnGvbZT8&ab_channel=LibreOffice-TheDocumentFoundation > > > > Bearing in mind the topic, and for the "How we are different" table, I > > think it may or may not be relevant - in normal conditions - to mention > > something along the lines of: > > - Libreoffice is in line with European law and directives blah blah blah, > > for blah blah blah, on open software and interoperability blah blah > > blah, according to the European directive blah blah blah ... > > > > Note: For private users using microsoft. Private scientific and research > > data has to deal with government institutions, like all the others, and > > they will have to solve their interoperability problems. Ask microsoft > :) . > > > > Filipe Gomes Morgado *is using:* > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 20:29, Paolo Debortoli <paolo_debort...@yahoo.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi. there is another legal EU issue (inside the European Union), > > which > > > is important. Please understand that I can mention but not explain > it, > > > because I am not an expert in this field. > > > > > > Eu has made since years open data (definition: > > > > > > https://op.europa.eu/en/web/eu-vocabularies/concept/-/resource?uri=http://eurovoc.europa.eu/c_5ea6e5c4 > ) > > mandatory > > > for public administrations. I think the last version is directive UE > > > 2019/1024. so, imnteroperability and availability are not only > > > comfortable, but mandatory. > > > > > > this should be also for scientific and research data. > > > > > > so, I guess, proprietary data format are not suited for this purpose. > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 07:56:00 PM GMT+1, Ravi Dwivedi < > > > r...@ravidwivedi.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26/12/21 6:26 pm, Italo Vignoli wrote: > > > > MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware because they are > > > > intentionally complex, in order to perpetuate user lock-in (the more > > > > complex the document, the lower the chances that third party software > > > > such as LibreOffice is able to interoperate). The hidden complexity > is > > > > strictly related to the way OOXML - MS Office pseudo-standard format > - > > > > has been intentionally developed. So, this means that switching from > > > > OOXML to ODF - LibreOffice standard document format - would reduce > > > > security issues by a significant percentage. > > > > > > This one is an interesting point. I would like to read more about it. > > > > > > Italo, can you please send some article(s) on it? or we can write one > > too. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > > Problems? > > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > > Posting guidelines + more: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- ============================================= This information is intended for consignee only. 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