Considering that neither Mr. Holtz nor Mr. Gregory are (to my knowledge) LGBTQ 
persons, and also considering that neither are members of Outright 
Libertarians, I fail to see how either individual can claim literally any 
expertise on the area of LGBTQ issues.

Mr. Holtz, in particular, has been particularly tone deaf on the issue of 
same-sex marriage equality, and only recently switched over to the Libertarian 
side of the issue in the platform debate after concerted lobbying from 
Outright's membership -- and a clear signal from the Outright membership in 
California that there would be near unanimous opposition to efforts floated on 
the LPSF list to remove our party's support for marriage equality from the 
platform, at convention if necessary.

It's hilarious indeed for Mr. Holtz to now be claiming some sort of expertise 
on LGBTQ issues, when he was so thoroughly wrong on his prior convictions about 
LGBTQ issues (and thus enjoys such limited esteem in the community at large).

The LP's queer membership doesn't need a bunch of uneducated folks "explaining" 
our issues to us, nor does it need persistent attacks on our platform.  I can 
assure you that from the delegates on the ground all the way up to the 
Libertarian National Committee, we are fully prepared to defend both our party 
platform AND honest dialogue on Republican and Democratic candidates from such 
attacks.

Cheers gents,

Brian

----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Holtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 12:28:12 AM
Subject: Ron Paul a "homophobic bigot"?

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Anthony Gregory wrote to Brian Miller on 
lpradicals (from which I was expelled after my No First Force Pledge 
challenge was censored there):


  BM) the Republicans (including Ron Paul) 
  are such homophobic bigots that [...] (BM

   

  AG)  Ron Paul is not a homophobic 
  bigot. What on earth are you talking about? (AG

Anthony, here is some context for 
you.  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/2107 is my 
unrebutted response to Miller's untenable attacks on Paul in 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ca-liberty/message/5181, 
where you can see the previous messages in that thread.   More context 
is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpsf-discuss/message/13332, 
to which Miller's only response was to complain that Ron Paul, a candidate for 
the GOP nomination, did not answer a survey from the Outright 
Libertarians.  Quelle homophobia!

 

I was soon expelled from 
lpsf-discuss, where one is not allowed to document Outright leaders issuing 
serial misrepresentations about somebody like Ron Paul.  Nevertheless, 
Miller's claims are a smoking cinder, but good luck trying to get a reference 
to 
my rebuttals past the censors at LPradicals.  My postings are filled with 
Paul quotes that contradict Miller's claims, but you probably won't be allowed 
to post such evidence there even if you keep my name out of it. :-)  (For 
example, see all the unanswered Paul quotes I transcribed for Miller from 
the Values Voter debate: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpsf-discuss/message/13297.)

 

In Miller's universe, the only 
reason to be a radical constitutionalist and skeptic of central federal 
authority is if, despite all of one's public statements to the 
contrary, one secretly favors oppression of gays by states and 
localities.  I told Miller:

 

You 
don't have to like Paul's position that the federal government should not be -- 
and textually isn't -- entrusted to do for gay rights what it's done for our 
rights concerning substance use and political expression and self-defense and 
"hate crimes".  I don't either.  But you don't get to pretend that's 
not his position -- at least not without seeming illiterate.  The fact 
remains that you cannot produce a single quote from Paul saying that he 
"believes that government -- not individuals -- should be the final arbiters of 
your sex life and the sexual activities of consenting adults." You can run from 
that quote as far as you want, 
but I've got a brand-new laptop and its copy/paste keys are a long way from 
wearing out.





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