Brian Miller wrote:

BM) DOMA creates a federal definition of marriage and imposes restrictions
on individual liberty.  (BM

Note that DOMA did not un-recognize a single federally-recognized marriage.
DOMA deplorably restricted individual liberty, but it didn't constrict
individual liberty.

BM) The MPA imposes restrictions on individual liberty AND
unconstitutionally attempts to short-circuit gay people's rights to petition
the Supreme Court for a ruling on their constitutional rights.  (BM

The copy of the Constitution available to this straight white suburban guy
says that "the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to
Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the
Congress shall make".  Does your gay copy ready any differently?  I don't
like this provision and wish Congress would never use it, but you can't
pretend it's imaginary.  I would love to see the Supreme Court take a case
putting such legislation up against the Bill of Rights, so that we could
have a nice little constitutional crisis and train Congress to stop writing
stupid laws like this.

BM) The omnibus marriage bill increased federal benefits and payments based
on marriage status.  Three bills.  Ron Paul supported them all, to various
degress [sic] (BM

What is "the omnibus marriage bill"?  Google, Yahoo, and Wikipedia haven't
heard of it.   It sounds like you're trying to claim that Ron Paul supported
an increase in federal transfer payments (e.g. Social Security) based on
marriage status.  Care to substantiate that claim?

BM) All three make government bigger and more involved in marriage.  (BM

DOMA and MPA didn't make government bigger; they froze a certain aspect of
the status quo.  They didn't make government "more involved in marriage";
they (regrettably) made the several states less involved in how other states
and the federal government decide who should be considered legally married.
Your thesis fails because you cannot plausibly explain why Ron Paul doesn't
advocate the federal government forbidding states to allow gay marriage.

BM) Suffice to say that Brian Holtz has as much of a basis for a day-to-day
understanding of LGBT policy issues as I do of raising children.  His
lecturing me on the former is as comical as me lecturing him on the latter.
(BM

Again: I dare you to fully quote any three consecutive sentences of mine,
and then say "Brian Holtz has no basis for saying the above, because Brian
Holtz is not gay."  I wouldn't think that the Outrights would stand for
someone being shouted down merely on the basis of his sexual orientation,
but I'm only an outsider here, so maybe my opinion of this group is higher
than it should be.

BM) his lack of concern for other gay folks' concerns -- particularly Rob's
family status -- strikes me as tone-deaf as well. (BM

This is just outright calumny.  You have no basis for claiming that I lack
concern for Rob's family status.  I've argued repeatedly on the Platform
Committee and in public that gay rights should be one of the LP's top
issues.  Will your lies ever stop?

BM) It's almost as embarrassing as when a white guy lectures a black guy on
what it's like to be black. (BM

Like I've ever lectured a gay person on what it's like to be gay.  Shame on
you, and shame on the Outrights for encouraging such mendacity with their
silence.  Is there none beside Starchild among the Outrights who will stand
up for a libertarian's right to speak out on the facts of American
jurisprudence without being shouted down on account of his sexual
orientation?
 
Brian Holtz
blog: Knowing  <http://knowinghumans.net/> Humans
book: Human  <http://humanknowledge.net/> Knowledge
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2004-2008 for Congress,  <http://marketliberal.org/> CA14 (Silicon Valley)

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