I was pointing out that there was an appear ance and a political 
practice which points to an underlying economic basis, which I felt 
was in need of investigation, when looking at the make up of 
proletariat. I did not say that a home, a car and some saving made 
someone wealthy but that there was a stage at which some workers did 
have excessive priviledges above and beyond the necessities for 
living, travel and consumption. In fact if you look closely I made it 
absolutely clear that even these priviledge people were still part 
of the working class and I stressed that the peti-Bourgeois was a 
seperate class outside the working class which is economically 
constituted on the basis, not of their income level, but by the fact 
that they owned the means of production. I was raising a problem with 
the view that the working class was a unified whole making up 99% 
of the world's population (without racism, sexism, homophobia ...). 
As this did not help us answer the question - which matters most to 
me - as to why this massive unified class has not managed  to break 
its economic chains? What does it have to lose?

For me the only point to knowing what constitutes the working class, 
other than sociological investigation, is to know how the class 
struggle will proceed. What is likely to restrain it, and what is 
likely to take it forward. To not analyse this problem leaves one to 
supporting anything contains the working class (such as the Labour 
Party, the Democrats, police and prison officer unions....). One only 
need read Engels desparate letters to Marx on the inability of the 
British working class (especially the craft unions) to do (or 
think) anything beyond the interests of British imperialism. And it 
leaves many on the left to just blame the lack of revolutionary vigor 
on the leadership (often democratically elected) which some-how 
hood-winks the rank-and-file away from there true historical role 
based on their economic conditions.

I agree entirely that 'what needs to be comprehended is the real 
dynamic- how the relatively privileged gain their 'rewards', how they 
are exploited, whether their gains are at the expense of less well 
off workers within their nation state, or whether both gain from the 
wider exploitation of the third world etc.' I was just warning that 
few people have attempted such a detailed investigation.



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