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Proyect answered Creegan: Also, if you reject the traditional scenario of dual power, leading to the conquest of state sovereignty by the working class, it's only fair to ask you what your own expected or desired scenario is. I remember like yesterday Joanna Misnik telling us YSA'ers in NYC how weird it struck her to hear Mark Rudd talking about scenarios for taking it to the pigs. She laughed and said he was confusing politics with movie-making. ************** This is called dodging the question. How do you envisage the Greek situation as unfolding, or how would you like it to do so? Creegan On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:07 PM, James Creegan <sectaria...@gmail.com> wrote: > Proyect wrote on his blog: > > Unlike the more rabid elements of the far left like the WSWS.org or the > Spartacist League that urged Greeks to vote for the KKE, Callinicos deems > Syriza’s election as “inspiring”. The problem, of course, is that it is > doomed to fail as a socialist electoral project because the “deep state” > defies dismantling from within the state itself. In other words, the cops, > the army and the intelligence agencies have to be “smashed” by the armed > detachments of workers councils that arise in the course of struggle, just > as occurred in Russia in 1917. The most urgent task in Greece is to create > “dual power” that will eventually reach the critical mass necessary to > transform Greece. > > ..... > > If nationalizing the banks, dual power, workers militias, etc. correspond > to the objective class interests of the long-suffering Greek people, one > wonders why they have such difficulty understanding that. In the recently > held elections, Antarsya received 39,411 votes, which is 0.64 percent of > the total vote. Three years ago they got 75,248, which was 1.19 percent. So > as the crisis deepens in Greece and the need for revolutionary action > grows, their vote fell by half. > *********************** > > The obvious answer to the last question is that the people do not always > perceive that which corresponds to their objective interests. Allowing to > do so is the task of revolutionary leadership. > > Also, if you reject the traditional scenario of dual power, leading to the > conquest of state sovereignty by the working class, it's only fair to ask > you what your own expected or desired scenario is. > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> ***************************************************************** >> >> Probably the most notable aspect of this debate was the fact that it >> happened at all. This is obviously a sign that the left has accepted the >> SWP back into proper society even though its leaders have never retreated, >> not even one inch, on the question of their handling of an accusation of >> rape by one of its young female members against a central and older male >> leader. One supposes that stonewalling is a much more effective tactic in >> tightly knit Leninist groups than it is in large-scale bourgeois parties. >> >> It should be added that Alex Callinicos viewed the wide scale opposition >> to the SWP leadership over this matter as not really being about the rape >> but opposition to Leninism from dissidents who favored a Syriza type party. >> So in a real sense, things have come full circle. With the Syriza >> leadership forming an electoral pact with ANEL, someone like Callinicos >> must feel vindicated. What is the rape of one woman compared to the rape of >> a nation? Of course he would not be so crass as to actually say something >> like this but you can bet that he thinks it. >> >> full: http://louisproyect.org/2015/03/05/comments-on-the-alex- >> callinicos-stathis-kouvelakis-debate/ >> _________________________________________________________ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ >> options/marxism/sectarian61%40gmail.com >> > > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
