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Did they try to prosecute you? In the US there was a massive "counter-terrorism" case called the Holy Land 5. 5 men in jail for basically the rest of their lifetimes for giving humanitarian aid to Palestinians that passed through the hands of bureaucrats that technically worked under Hamas. I am all for breaking the law as an act of civil disobedience, but sometimes the costs are simply not worth it, especially if it triggers repression against the rest of the community. - Amith On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Philip Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: > It's also illegal in NZ. > > So? > > Phil > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:47 PM, A.R. G <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is totally illegal for us in the US to raise money for the PFLP. In >> fact I believe even certain kinds of statements, advocacy, and services >> deemed "for" the PFLP can land you in hot water legally. Material support >> laws. >> >> I think one reason that I feel really sensitive about this subject coming >> up (and since my blog post on Louis' blog it seems like it is dominating >> the list) is because, as I pointed out previously, I supported Palestine >> militantly before becoming a socialist. As I mentioned, I did not find >> Marx, anti-capitalism, or any other more meaningful ways to critique the >> fundamentals of capitalism until I was in college. I was very disappointed, >> to be honest, to see that many of the people who claimed to hold leftist, >> anarchist, and Marxist views seemed to have done it the other way around >> and that even many who did appear to share my feelings about Palestine >> often did so in a contingent, asterisk-laden fashion. Nonetheless, I could >> not avoid the blatant pitfalls and failures of liberals as well as >> "Libertarians" to engage in structural analysis leading them to hold all >> sorts of bizarre and misguided views. >> >> I do not think there is a purpose, at least right now, in lionizing the >> left. The left is filled with all sorts of reactionary sentiment. I think >> it is better to focus on the issues, including Palestine, and push people >> to become more conscious of the contradictions through issue-based >> organizing. Marxism, in my opinion, is a guide, not a restriction. >> >> - Amith >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >>> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>> ***************************************************************** >>> >>> >>> I agree with Louis that it's good if various semi-establishment figures >>> criticise various actions of the *Israeli government - it opens up >>> political space, makes it easier for people to raise issues of solidarity >>> with the Palestinians. >>> >>> Often, though, the anti-capitalist left tries to hook up with anyone and >>> everyone who appears to be criticising what we're criticising. >>> >>> When it comes to the anti-capitalist left, we need to develop initiatives >>> centred on solidarity and where the issues are taken to the working class >>> and colleges (community colleges and universities alike), and we need to >>> do >>> it in a way that advances the class consciousness of workers where we >>> are. >>> >>> In the Anti-Capitalist Alliance/Workers Party in NZ, we prioritised >>> Palestine solidarity and we initiated a public campaign to raise funds >>> for >>> the PFLP. We made t-shirts and Leila Khaled gave us her signature to use >>> on them. We raised several thousand dollars for the PFLP, as a concrete >>> act of solidarity and as a way of challenging the 'terrorist' designation >>> that NZ governments - Labour and National alike (and they're very, very >>> alike!) had put on the PFLP. >>> >>> As anti-capitalists I think we need to run a two-track approach in >>> relation >>> to Palestine. One is overall support for the Palestinian right to >>> self-determination and the other is solidarity with the most progressive >>> forces within that struggle; that happens to be the hard-pressed PFLP. >>> Whatever criticisms anyone might have on them, they have stuck to their >>> guns in unbelievably difficult circumstances and deserve material >>> support. >>> >>> For a campaign of solidarity with the Palestinian struggle: >>> >>> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/for-a-campaign-of-solidarity-with-the-palestinian-struggle/ >>> >>> Is there a two-state solution?: >>> >>> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/is-there-a-two-state-solution-to-israel-palestinian-conflict-2/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >>> Set your options at: >>> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
