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Dear Friend, There is a great difference between a civilization, which has a much longer time frame, and a regime or government. Saddam Hussein’s brutal regime/government did not eclipse the very great social world of the Iraqi people. Those who visited Iraq before 2003 and then after 2003 know exactly what I mean by the destruction not only of the regime of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Party, but also of Iraqi society and – much more dangerously – of Iraqi civilization. A journey to Libya today is much perilous than it was last year, which was more dangerous than the year before. With each year, Libya too descends into a darkness that is not recognizable to those who lived there even ten years ago. Many of the people that I knew who were fervent believers in the revolt of 2011 are either in exile (such as Fatima Hamroush), dead (such as Salwa Bughaighis) or in great despondency (many of them too fearful for their lives to speak on the record). It is hard to understand how anyone can believe that there is a path forward for these countries – thrown as they have been into the vortex of chaos. Warm regards, Vijay. From: Clay Claiborne <clayc...@gmail.com<mailto:clayc...@gmail.com>> Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 10:57 AM To: vijay prashad <vijay.pras...@trincoll.edu<mailto:vijay.pras...@trincoll.edu>>, Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu<mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Letter to George W. Bush. "Iraq was a courteous civilization" under Saddam Hussein! Vijay, you certainly are forgiven to your brutal dictators, as usual. But there is something you need to understand, something you all need to understand: Many of the problems Iraq is working out now are the product of those decades of brutal dictatorship. The US invasion may have unleashed those forces but the dictatorship created them. Any time such a state is overthrown, the people have a lot of work to do to get things right again. It doesn't matter if an imperialist invasion did it or the people did it themselves. The task of rebuilding remains. That is how Iraq is like Libya but the solution is not to maintain these brutal dictatorships. Vijay, I know you love your dictators, but you don't have to live under them, do you? You are all worthless and weak. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust<http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach<http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Prashad, Vijay via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu<mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote: ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. ***************************************************************** He might not be a member of the list per se, but I'm sure the FBI/NSA plants on the list would be kind enough to forward it to him and his cronies. Warmly, Vijay. From: "A.R. G" <amithrgu...@gmail.com<mailto:amithrgu...@gmail.com><mailto:amithrgu...@gmail.com<mailto:amithrgu...@gmail.com>>> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 4:02 PM To: vijay prashad <vijay.pras...@trincoll.edu<mailto:vijay.pras...@trincoll.edu><mailto:vijay.pras...@trincoll.edu<mailto:vijay.pras...@trincoll.edu>>>, Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu<mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu><mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu<mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Letter to George W. Bush. Great letter, but unfortunately I do not think Mr. Bush is a member of this list and his neocon advisors abandoned the list at some point in the 1970s. Disclaimer: Fuck George W. Bush - Amith On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Prashad, Vijay via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu<mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu><mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu<mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>> wrote: ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. ***************************************************************** 19 March 2016. Dear George W. Bush, I will never forget this day. It is the day you decided to send in your armies to destroy an Iraq already on life-support thanks to the sanctions regime and to the massive bombardment of the Gulf War 1 pushed by your dad, and then the man who followed him - Big Bill Clinton. Fragile Iraq was destroyed in 2003. I remember the Iraqi people who suffered the bombardment and then the occupation - the families in Baghdad, the farmers in rural Diyala, the old lefties hiding as they had already hidden in one or another friend's house. These are the Iraqi people, GWB, that you claimed to speak for but did not care about. There is spiritual decadence in the prosecution of that war, and in the toxicity that it has spawned inside the United States. Iraq was a courteous civilization, now so grievously injured by your injuries. 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