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Gawd...such one sided bullshit. Black rights were won without guns? Really? The fact that the SCLC leadership kept assault rifles in their headquarters was...irrelevant? That many Blacks were armed was "without guns". The fact is it is hard to prove a negative but I suspect many klan attacks did *not* happen because they knew Black people were *armed* often in violation of RACIST gun control laws. Ken you should no better than to peddle such crap. The Black Panthers *ended* police harassment in Oakland before the NRA supported Mulford Act was passed banning such practices (which resulted immediately in the OPD harassing young Black men again in the largely Black neighborhoods of Oakland). Armed Blacks confronted *regularly* the White Leagues and armed Whites throughout Reconstruction. By now, Ken, et al, you should of all read about the "Racist Roots of Gun Control". An excellent article. [ http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/347324-the-racist-origin-of-gun-control-laws ] Louis...no...it is not true that only the Mpls strikes were workers armed. Actually they were not armed then. It was afterwards they, and many other unions organized such guard groups. The fact is that as a push back against armed scabs and the cops, racist mobs, the oppressed *always* armed. How? They owned guns to begin with and if the gun control laws were not enacted (always against Blacks and the oppressed) they could go out an purchase them. The last mass arming of Blacks was in 1980 during the Chattanooga riots where armed, Black veterans mostly, formed an ad-hoc militia and pushed the white racist sheriffs out of the Black community. Also, all petty crime stopped cold during these 3 days. They could not of done this without being armed and at that time, with the latest in weapons including ARs. Second of all, Louis, the anti-gun brain dead liberals that many here are adapting too DO want your .30-30 banned. They want ALL guns banned. And they are quite open about this. They see every incremental gun control measure as a forward step in that direction. THEY have more faith in the State to handle weapons than civilians and want more cops, more FBI and ATF to take charge. That is "Marxism"? Gawwdd. It is not 1936 or 1980. While gun ownership has been fairly constant, including the AR-15 (which started as the "Black Rifle" craze during the Reagan administration), for almost 3 decades. Yet...it's only be the last few years that these massacres have taken place. Why is that? Columbine occured sans AR-15s (the used pistols and shotguns). The facts are that 97% of all the 36,000 (!!!!) gun deaths are not made by military looking AR-type rifles. And that 61% of those 36,000 last year (JAMA) are not from violent attacks but from...suicides. The real deaths of children and young people come from hand guns. But that is not the emotional push button we see...EVER. It's only about these relatively few and particularly ugly school massacres. I accept that some things ought to be done. I do support raising the age to 21 for hand gun or rifle purchases. All firearms. I'm also for actual licensing with proof-of-proficiency in safety handling. Lastly I'm for better background checks and establishing a "cannot purchase list" administered by qualified mental health experts (school counselors, psychologists, therapists, etc) but with a right to challenge. This "could" reduce but not eliminate such massacres. Nor would banning AR type rifles or large capacity magazines. It might help some but with so many such firearms in circulation, few would turn them in and fewer still would register what they have. And why should they? THEY are not the criminals. Disturbed people commit these crimes. And that is where the problem will lie: gun bans ... which is exactly the agenda of the anti-gun crowd. All those positions I outlined above are huge fucking concessions to the state. They give the government...the FBI and the ATF (the new found lovers of the Democratic liberal and gun control crowd) more power, databases and addresses of gun owners. In this sense, technically, the NRA is 100% correct: it makes it easier for the State to confiscate any weapon. But I'm willing to make that concession...and it IS a concession...because of the current climate. But no socialist should ever support gun confiscation. David _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
