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So, in other words, Carl Estabrook has no objection to US troops in Rojava. Nor, I take it, to the US bombing of Raqqa in preparation for the Kurdish forces to take over that area. Some "anti US imperialism"! It leads to another question: Does he have any opposition to the US's role in Mosul? John Reimann On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galli...@illinois.edu> wrote: > I think PYD control of Rojava is legitimate, and the (Syrian) Kurds should > be part of the general peace in Syria that the Russians have been trying to > arrange - and that the US has been frustrating. Rojava has asked for > Damascus troops to aid its battle against the Turks invading Afrin, thereby > acknowledging its participation in the government of Syria. > > Obama’s attack on Syria is comparable to Clinton’s attack on Serbia, > another less than admirable regime where the US 'presence' was > illegitimate. —CGE > > > > On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:36 AM, John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I note that Carl skirts the question of whether he calls for the US to > stop arming and aiding the Kurds (including having US troops in their > territory.) That, after all, is the real main thrust of US involvement. But > it also leads to another question: Does Karl consider the PYD control over > Rojava to be legitimate? In that case, then their having invited in the US > troops in makes the US presence "legitimate". > > Or take another example: The Mexican and Colombian governments have > "invited" US forces in to spray huge swaths of land to get rid of poppy and > marijuana crops. I suppose that makes their actions there "legitimate" too? > > This whole claim about "legitimace" or "legality" really shows how far the > apologists for Assad & Putin have strayed from the most basic socialist > ideals. Here you have a brutal, repressive regime, one that has been a > stooge for the World Bank and whose economic policies could have been taken > straight out of the pages of "The Shock Doctrine", one that survives by > bombing and gassing its own population - never mind mass torture - and it > asks for military help from another right wing regime. Since the laws of > capitalist legality make that OK, then according to Estabrook and similar > people, there's nothing to be argued with. > > John Reimann > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galli...@illinois.edu > > wrote: > >> US out of Syria would include ending US support - or indulgence - for its >> NATO ally, Turkey, who should also exit Syria. >> >> Russia - legitimately in Syria - seems to have placed limits on Turkish >> action in Syria. >> >> >> > On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:34 AM, John Reimann via Marxism < >> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: >> > >> > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >> > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> > ***************************************************************** >> > >> > >> > I was recently asked about supporting the slogan US out of Syria. (My >> response was yes if we include all imperialist forces, especially Russia >> and Iran, who are really the main actors there.) But I got to thinking: >> Since the US has intervened so decisively on the side of the Kurds, who are >> uncritically admired by these same lefts, what has been their position? Are >> they demanding that US troops leave Afrin and stop aiding the Kurds? Does >> anybody know? (I know they were silent about US military action in Raqqa.) >> > >> > John Reimann >> > Sent from my iPad >> > _________________________________________________________ >> > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt >> ions/marxism/galliher%40illinois.edu >> >> > > > -- > *“How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone > willing to give himself up individually to a righteous cause? Such a fine > sunny day, and I have to go, but what does my death matter, if through us > thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?” *Sophie Scholl, > executed by the Nazis 2/22/1943. She was 21 years old. > Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook > > > -- *“How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone willing to give himself up individually to a righteous cause? Such a fine sunny day, and I have to go, but what does my death matter, if through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?” *Sophie Scholl, executed by the Nazis 2/22/1943. She was 21 years old. Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
