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And I remain the "skunk at the picnic" arguing that even when there is a "left" alternative (Jill Stein last Presidential election -- numerous left candidates in Senate and House races this Fall) when there is a true danger of fascism --- (Hillary might have been TERRIBLE but the Supreme Court would not have killed public sector unions nor be poised to reverse Roe is she had won .... ) the lesser of two evils rule applies ---- if Dems do not take at least the HOUSE, Trump will be in a position to solidify his position, remake the Supreme Court even more --- and fill those detention centers --- I know lots of people disagree but the demonization of the Social Democrats as "social fascists" by the German CP helped pave the way for Hitler in Germany --- On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Dennis Brasky via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > Concretely, in this November's election between O - C and her Republican > opponent with no independent of the Democrats working class candidate or > party in existence, do we maintain a Never Vote Democrat position?? > > I seem to recall Louis a few weeks ago stating that he was going to make an > exception to his lifelong stance and either vote for or donate (I forget) > to a local Democrat's campaign - (he didn't name the candidate). > > As long as we carefully explain that there are rare exceptions to the rule, > I don't think that it's unprincipled to vote for an O - C WHEN THERE IS NO > LEFT ALTERNATIVE. Of course, opportunists will find many "exceptions" but > who said that revolutionary politics is simple? > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > > >> Yeah, Marx made some points about the "spoiler" problem: > > > > Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers > > must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge > > their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party > > standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty > > phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates > > will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the > chance > > of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the > > proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party > > will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more > > important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few > > reactionaries in the representative body. > > > > https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist- > > league/1850-ad1.htm > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mameerop% > 40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
