Does it include passenger operations?  Because China's  Rail Knowledge 
magazine reports 77,000 KM of total track in China, not 60,000 for 2006. 
And you said that you "guessed" that the Chinese numbers include some 
passenger lines.   I tend to ignore guesses-- old habit.  Anyway the number 
of trains, and the average tonnage per train still stands and shows some of 
the difference in productivity.

Numbers for US railroad employment also include trackworkers, bridge 
builders, signal maintainers, signal designers, train dispatchers, 
mechanics, construction personnel, clerks-- everybody who is employed by the 
railroad, so if China's doesn't include such workers, which seems to be a 
possibility according to your post, then the numbers need to be adjusted for 
that.

You seem to have a growth fetish-- as if simple mass indicates development. 
As any Marxist could tell you,  growth is not development, under capitalism, 
or comboed "state socialism/capitalism."  I know you're not a Marxist, but 
you really need to get off this growth fetish.  The greater productivity of 
US railroads has actually allowed it to reduce its network, reduce trackage 
and the costs associated with maintaining that trackage, while increasing 
revenue tons and revenue ton-mileage while reducing labor requirements, just 
as greater productivity of US agriculture has allowed to operate with less 
acreage, and far fewer farms,  than Chinese agriculture, and with much less 
labor power.  Should we now all hail the progress of Chinese agriculture 
because average plot size is so small that there are many more farms in 
China?

It was you after all who introduced the claim or "possibility"  that China 
had overtaken the US in freight rail transportation. I asked how you were 
measuring that-- what were productivity numbers.  If you can't provide 
those, at least spare us the guesses and the possibilities


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lüko Willms" <lueko.wil...@t-online.de>
To: "David Schanoes" <sartes...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] China investing heavily in infrastructure: Railway


  The number of workers includes possibly all the personnel of the MOR
(Ministry of Railways), including those who a building new lines by the
thousands of kilometers per year.

  So the personnel figure is the one which is the least useable in a
comparison with the US railways. The US network doesn't grow, does it?
Maybe when Obama's programme for expansion of railways actually becomes
reality, but before not. Right?


Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt, Germany
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