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In a message dated 12/4/2009 6:06:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  writes: 
 
>> Thirdly, nope, the conflict between means and relations of  production 
is not precisely because the industrial workforce grows in absolute  terms. 
The conflict between means and relations is between the accumulation of  
capital as a profit-yielding mode, the expansion of value based on maintaining  
the means of production as private property in order to aggrandize surplus  
value, and the limits to the accumulation of capital, and expansion of 
value,  based on that very same aggrandizement of surplus value. It's the 
relation  between the capital components, variable and constant, that ignites,  
precipitates, drives the conflict between means and relations of  
production....that relation, and thus the conflict is maintained by capital, is 
 
essential to capital during the expansion and contraction of the numbers of  
workers. And being essential to capital, being its manifest identity, this  
conflict becomes capital's manifest destiny-- to reproduce the impulse to  
revolution, the concrete immanence of revolution and overturn of that relation  
of 
production. << 
 
Comment 
 
Sounds reasonable to me except for the first sentence, which misses the  
point. 
 
This means the other points miss the point. 
 
The industrial form of the working class or modern proletarians of the era  
of Marx is not in ascendancy. The great American industrial middle class 
has not  simply been scattered but shattered and is in absolute decay and 
disintegration,  as society continues its leap to a new technological regime. 
 
What was being isolated in the Perleman excerpt was the issue of the  
financing of vehicle sales as a profits center; the role of a GMAC and Chrysler 
 
Credit (read = Cerberus) and vehicle financing in the context of a new world 
of  financial products. Put another way, it seems we are not longer 
fighting  captains of industry, but rather Lords of financial abstractions 
living 
from  accumulation of abstractions. Capital as a notional value is the 
economist and  international banker Henry C.K. Liu‘s characterization of modern 
speculative  capital. "Profitless prosperity" was the watch word given by Ford 
in January  2002. The new non-banking financial architecture is important 
but lets fry  bigger fish. 
 
Let's go back and check out a golden oldie record. Let's go back to 1974. 
 

Here is what we wrote in September 1974 - 35 years ago, and how the  world 
looked to "us.". 
 
'The trend toward shifting the economic base from mechanics to electronics  
has not only increased the reserve army of unemployed but also created a 
huge  qualitatively new army of the permanently unemployed, especially amongst 
 national minority proletarians. Every technical advance makes the position 
of  the proletarians more untenable. The struggle against the capitalist 
class is a  struggle against all who live by the labor of others, and against 
all  exploitation. It can only end in the seizing of power by the working 
class, and  the transferal of all land, instruments, factories, machines, and 
mines to the  whole of society for the organization of social production 
under which all that  is produced by the workers and all improvements in 
production must benefit the  working people themselves." Party Program 
Preamble: 
Founding Congress Document  of Communist Labor Party. 
 
The shift from mechanics to electronics - as written about in 1974,  
expresses an understanding of conflict immanent to means, immanent to 
relations,  
as one becomes the interactive environment of the other. Implicit in this  
understanding is a concept of the organic composition of capital. Given the 
fact  of the old party center (headquarters) being in Chicago, with intense 
social  strife in Detroit, many of "us" evolved a form of Marxist 
presentation and  articulation considered economic determinist by some. 
However, our 
practical  activity tends to disprove this charge. It is extremely significant 
that we  founded a Communist ideological group  based on the proposition: 
"shifting  the economic base from mechanics to electronics has not only 
increased the  reserve army of unemployed but also created a huge qualitatively 
new army of the  permanently unemployed." 
 
Remember this is a statement from 1974. "Shifting the economic base" is a  
precise formulation. The economic base is not the commodity form of the sum  
total factors defining "material power of productive forces" or relations 
of  production, however one defines the latter. Economic base is "the thing 
society  is built upon;" means and relations, as both are constructed based 
on a  definable stage of development of productive forces. The productive 
forces are  industrial, as that, which is fundamental to unraveling their 
properties as a  distinct qualitative definition.  In other words we have a 
distinct  language structure, or rather Marxist dialect. I see no need to alter 
this  specific form of articulation considering that every other form of 
Marxist  presentation tends to deny we are in the throes of a new revolution as 
profound  as the industrial revolution. This of course is at the heart of 
our exchanges. 
 
II. 
 
You will never escape Detroit. You may tempt the hand of fate but can never 
 escape your personal destiny. 
 
We are four decades beyond or rather into future shock. Future Shock was  
coined in 1970. A Marxist that denies that the salient feature of our society 
 turmoil is the revolution in the material power of production needs their 
head  examined. To admit that the revolution in the technological regime is 
well  underway and pretty advanced is not to deny the bourgeois property 
relation, as  it simultaneously advances and fetter the full potential of the 
shift from  mechanics - electro-mechanical, to electronics. 
 
I was 22 years old in 1974 and understood the meaning of organic  
composition of capital before being introduced to Marx concept of it. For some  
reason we connected the shift from mechanics to electronics with a "huge  
qualitatively new army of the permanently unemployed." The emergence of this  
qualitatively new army of unemployed proletarians, presupposes the entry of  
"something" into the social process producing the new social (quality)  
consequence. However, none of us understood the profound implications of what 
we  
wrote in 1974. 
 
In 1974 we looked at that, which was in front of us. We looked first and  
then fought to accurately describe what was in front of us. No way could we  
predict that the work force would be well over 30% part-time and 
"underemployed"  35 years later. Only later, around 1987/1988, could we 
accurately 
describe the  process logic, a full decade ahead of much of the "organized" 
Marxist movement.  In 1989 an article was written and reprinted as "An Epoch of 
Social Revolution." 
 
Our initial formulation of the shift from mechanics to electronic is  
incorrect today, but extremely advanced when it was written. The word  
"mechanics" should be replaced with "electro-mechanical production process."  
While 
digging up old history I came across a hard copy of March/April 1971 issue  of 
Radical America dedicated to "Black Labor."  The articles are: "The  Demand 
for Black Labor" by Harold M. Baron; The League of Revolutionary Black  
Workers; Introduction by Eric Perkins to the document "At the Point of  
Production," and "From Repression to Revolution" by Ken Cockrel. The last  
article 
directly addresses the "Panther discussion" a month or so ago.  I  believe 
this issue of Radical America is on-line. 
 
Economic determinism is an old charge leveled against virtually anyone in  
Marxism beginning their unraveling of the economy from the standpoint of the 
 actual building blocks upon which sits the material power of production,  
production relations and the political superstructure, with the property  
relations within. Here is the dilemma. How could we write about a shift from  
mechanics to electronics in 1974 and then speak of a qualitatively new army 
of  permanently unemployed in an environment where most called these 
proletarians  lumpen?  It has never been amusing to us that this section of the 
 
proletariat was for historical reasons black. Today, the intensifying social  
consequences are such that everyone is forced to admit this growing mass of  
destitute are not a lumpen proletariat. 
 
First comes the injection of a new quality into the material power and then 
 comes a series of qualitative changes or social consequences at a certain  
quantitative accumulation of the impact and spread of the new qualitative  
ingredient. The technological revolution does not alter or change the law 
system  behind the FROP or all its counter tendencies. This is so because FROP 
is a  quality of bourgeois private property rather than the material power 
of the  elctro-mechanical or electronic technology underpinning. What the 
technological  revolution does is create the material wherewithal for a new 
epoch of social  revolution. The last epoch being displaced by our new epoch 
is called the  Industrial Revolution. Specifically, the new technology regime 
exists and  evolves not in conflict with, but antagonism with the 
electro-mechanical system.  This is due to the bourgeois private property. 
Today we 
face the intersection of  crisis of capital and revolution in the material 
power. This was not the case in  1929 to the outbreak of the Second World 
Imperialist War. During this period  political revolt existed  and took place, 
with no chance for the emergence  of an insurrectionary movement. The 
spokespersons of American capital really  understood their strategic aim in the 
war. Their strategic aim since the Civil  War or rather, emergence of American 
finance capital, has been dismantling the  historic closed colonial system 
and opening these areas to American finance  capital, based on a model 
perfected in South America. 
 
III. 
 
It’s funny how renewed activity and motion by the insurgent workers clarify 
 ones point of view and writings. All of a sudden everything is crystal 
clear. As  you correctly point out, 1974 - rather than 1976/78, was the peak 
year of the  strike wave. This comradely correction was the occasion for 
looking back through  "our documents" from 35 years ago. I was like "damn, D is 
right. What  specifically did we write in 1974?" What was the social and 
political landscape  in 1974? 
 
In 1974 Bill Gates was not yet Bill Gates but an upstart that had graduated 
 from Lakeside in 1973. Gates and Steve Job would latter become as 
revolutionary  as the reactionary Henry Ford of the industrial era, with John 
Chambers of Cisco  acting as Alfred Sloan. Microsoft would not be founded until 
late 1975 and early  1976. The emerging revolution in technology and new 
fields of application were  only sensed in 1974. Cisco system was more than a 
decade away from 1974. As  Apple Computers predicted 1984 did not have to be 
1984 and was pushed to 2004. . 
 
1974 was the peak of the strike wave and upsurge of the working class as  
the strike wave, mirrored an upsurge in production and speed up. This 
increase  in production and speed-up is isolated in contradistinction to a 
radical  
increase in the density of dead labor - machinery or the new technology.  A 
 certain technological improvement always takes place in auto and this was  
mirrored in contract agreements establishing a cyclical wage increase of 
3%.  This automatic wage increase was literally called "the annual improvement 
 factor." The improvement in the "improvement factor" was the extension of 
the  industrial revolution or rather, the electro-mechanical process in 
deskilling  the production process and eliminating the labor input. 
 
Auto production peaked in 1973 at 14,535,668. In 1972: 12,998,681; * 1971:  
12,233, 697; * 1970:9,639,424; * 1969:11,699,156; * 1968: 12,113,826. and 
1967:  10,063,275. 
 
Extending the work day and raw speed up, capital's manifest destiny, rather 
 than revolutionizing the means of production based on the coming new 
technology  drove the class struggle. Here class struggle is defined as it 
existed in 1974,  as a conflict between workers and employers at the point of 
production. There  were other conflicts bound up with the struggle for 
expanding 
political liberty.  The jump in production during the 12-month period of 
1967 and 1968 - by 2  million units, was the precise moment of the formation 
of the old League of  Revolutionary Black Workers. The LRBW was a political 
response to a complex of  social consequences, including the 1966 
mini-rebellion, serving as the dress  rehearsal for Detroit 1967. 
 
(Ok, your point was taken to heart. Why not use the language of data, which 
 Marx deployed? You do point out and have always maintained the LRBW was an 
acute  form of class struggle. Speed up and lengthening of the workday was 
articulated  as "niggermation" expressing the entry of the black into the 
bottom of the  industrial social order or an intense conflict between means 
and relations. And  to answer your question posed sometime ago: No, hell naw, 
) 
 
Let me back up because this is becoming diffuse, but it is to much  
information to down load coherently. 
 
IV. 
 
Bill Gates life activity and ascendancy can serve as a marker in the  
technological advance when combined with the raw data of annual auto 
production.  
A qualitative shift in the technology regime is well underway. We missed a  
couple of important junctures if auto data serves as an index. In 1999 and 
2000,  domestic production peaked at 17,616,121 and 17,659,700 respectively. 
These peak  years of production were nothing like 1971. 72 and 73, for more 
reasons than I  can outline here. 
 
Here I want to concede a couple of points, implicit in your writings  
because they are correct as far as I am concerned. We can always push harder 
and  
need to be more data driven, because none of us as individuals can "see" 
the  totality of the process and the totality of the field of battle. I 
believe a  different kind of communist insurgent is needed today. One that can 
take the  driest economic data and decipher it in a way to drive and inspire a 
movement.  You excel in this beyond belief. A communist movement organized 
on the basis of  the precepts of the Comintern form of organization is our 
death. Local units and  fractions - combinations of communist in the same 
sphere of work, will never go  out of style, but what the men and women who are 
going to organize the vanguard  of the proletariat need is clarity of 
exposition and the facts. Then one can  impudently find their own bearing, even 
when cut off from direct organization or  simply lacking the desire to join an 
organization. 
 
I do feel that the Hegelian form is problematic for our working class and  
also do not subscribe to it. In fact I hate it. Nevertheless my personal 
likes  are hardly the issue. The issue is a language to win the vanguard of he  
proletariat to the cause of communism. The vanguard of the proletariat is a 
 rigid concept used to define a fluid segment of insurgents that change 
with  peaks and ebbs in the movement. Anytime a segment of the proletarians 
surge  forward it is because they are lead forward by individuals we call  
"leaders."  Leaders change, but the vanguard of the proletariat is an  absolute 
category and foundation of political Leninism as a doctrine of combat.  The 
folks I am dealing with today are not going to be the same folks I will be  
involved with a year from now. 
 
I do believe it is proper to constantly analyze the world but . . . . and  
this is a huge "but," feel that meddling in the internal politics of various 
 countries will split the communist communism. Your tracking of data in say 
China  is excellent. Although the gun was jumped on auto production in 
China versus  America earlier in the year. Your objection was against using 
first quarter data  as definitive. In other words - in the contest of this li
stserv, we are going to  run pass Nestor because the spontaneous movement is 
driving us pass a previous  stage of history. We are not going to run pass 
Henry C.K. Liu because of the  territory he staked out. He proposed some time 
ago an economic blueprint for  economic communism today and this included the 
destruction of bourgeois private  property and a serious critique of 
government policy in China. His writings are  causing material upheaval in 
China 
and its leading organs of political power. 
 
This is the moment we have waited for. This is our moment of history where  
fate and destiny intersect. The problem is the inability to discern 
distinct  points and transitions in the form of proletarian insurgency as one 
quantitative  phase of history gives way to another and finally comes under the 
sway of a  revolution in the material power of production. 
 
I am saying this shits different!  And no I am not going to be polite  and 
circumspect. Tonight - this night on Sunday December 6, 2009, I am looking  
at a ticket to a dinner event featuring Reverend Joseph E. Lowery, formerly 
of  SCLC or Dr, Martin Luther King Jr. organization. I do not disrespect the 
man,  but have never been the Southern Christian Leadership Council kind of 
dude. If  you are not talking about direct actions in the streets with 
cries of economic  communism, however you understand it, then I am staying at 
home and watching my  recording of Stargate Universe and Fringe. 
 
Man, I am full and surrender and collaboration with the custodians of  
capital is out of the question. Maybe if I were in a better mood I would go and 
 
make an appearance.  I am feeling something very different. If the wife was 
 in the mood for an outing and dinner I would go and then look for the 
poker game  and kicked some bourgeois ass to pay next month rent. I be getting 
to angry over  nothing. 
 
A section of the ruling class always detaches itself from its class and  
goes over to the social revolution. I have managed to accumulate a little  
experience in this sphere of combat. I like Henry C.K. Liu writings a lot . . 
..  a whole lot. The ruling class wants to preserve itself and care little 
about  whether or not society remains organized based on the value relations 
or the  commodity form or buying and selling. They feel the earth scorching 
beneath  their feet. In other words, what began the break up of feudalism was 
the  transition in the form of wealth from land to gold, inasmuch as 
feudalism is the  landed property relations. What did the world of feudalism in 
was the industrial  revolution. A section of the ruling class leaped and 
merged with and became  capital. This process has a history but that is not my 
division of labor. 
 
If I have to stop and compile the data and facts then I cannot do what I  
do.  The list members from Germany might be more suited for such a task. I  
am not, but I will fucking do it if I have to. Our watch words is how the 
broken  Southern ruling class leaped and became the handmaidens of Wall Street 
finance  capital. This is Mark L. territory. 
 
D, do not (and you have not) tell my ass that a section of the ruling class 
 is not going to go over to the cause of economic communism as long as it 
has its  privileges intact on a new basis. I swear to God - all of them, a 
section of the  ruling class is calling us into combat. Henry C.K. Liu is a 
communist  international banker. I ask you trust me on this proposition and 
give me 48  months. 
 
We have never surrender our independence as a proletarian insurgency to  
anyone.  You have to understand you as American. We are the only generation  
of proletarian intellectuals. We emerged in a period where workers could 
afford  books and a library, without sacrificing the daily living of our 
families. We  are the most imperial of all imperial revolutionaries. We have to 
be 
careful. 
 
This article began with a quote from you. 
 
How on earth can I pass this out at a meeting?  Or recruit somebody  based 
on your 40 years of accumulation of knowledge and experience?  And  Hegelian 
language structure? You need to get out more often and not in the  freaking 
rain. 
 
This ain’t no damn conflict between means and relations. It is that plus  
something else. This is antagonism. And Hegel is faygo, to be drank and pass  
through the body as fast as possible. There is a reason he leaves an after  
taste. 
 
WL. 
 
PS. By my count we have had roughly 686 disputes over the past decade. In  
these encounters I have taken it on the chin roughly 340 times. This of 
course  means you have had significant chins blows totaling 346. Now, you are 
going to  sustain more chin blows and a couple of hits to the head, by 
omitting that a  revolution in the material power of production is taking 
place. 
Either a  revolution in the material power - away from the technology 
foundation of the  electro-mechanical process, is taking place or it is not. 
 
The idea that we do not fight is to say you are non combatant.  
Non-combatant? 
You! 
 
Gimme a break brother. Fighting is a valid arena in which folks come to  
really know one another. No harm in this. 
 
To this day, your writings lack a description of this process, which is  
revolution in the material power, although you analyzed it damn good, and then 
 ended up saying "these capitalist bastards are running into their own 
internal  laws as FROP." 
 
Then you throw in the consciousness of the proletarians as decisive. 
 
Well it is extremely important during a period of social revolution.  In 
fact it is decisive. 

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