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At 10:50 27/12/09 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: > >Let's drop this thread, Well actually I'm rather enjoying reading this thread (though at the expense of lonely Dogan) and I don't think the issues have been completely explored since they touch on larger strategic issues. For instance, one argument was over whether the proposed health care bill is worse than the status quo and should therefore be opposed. But I'm still waiting to hear a good discussion of the underlying principle: that any change for the better should be "supported" in some sense. That is a more general issue that obviously has widespread implications. Also there might be some miscommunication due to the meaning of words. S. Artesian told Dogan exactly what "Liberalism" means. But Dogan is in Europe and here the word "Liberal" does not refer to the left wing of the ruling class but rather to the "moderate right" (the part that most strongly believes in free-market capitalism and privatization) of the ruling class. The Liberal party (VVD) in the Netherlands is the furthest to the right among parties which have been in a government coalition in recent times. Hence this use of name-calling may be raising the heat of the discussion while fogging the issues. (Of course I have some names myself for people like Dogan, but "liberal" isn't one of them!). - Jeff including the reference to Dogan's name in the >subject heading. Sayan, like Michael Pugliese, is one of those bizarre >personalities who has no existence outside of cyberspace. As such, >paying attention to his ravings gives him an importance he does not >deserve. ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: [email protected] Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
