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Let's review: Nestor proposed real live support of a national bourgeoisie in Colombia, arguing the workers would demand such support. Clearly Nestor knew nothing about the modern history of Colombia, as the post from Anthony proved, I don't know much history of modern Colombia either. In my response to Nestor, I criticize Nestor based on what is known about past support of national bourgeoisies. Anthony,who does know something about Colombia, intervened, and guess what? There's a real history that will validate or refute Nestor's championing the "national" bourgeoisie, and that real history says Nestor is flat-out wrong. WL chimes in with whatever it is he usually chimes in with, and then we get the accusations of chauvinism, imperialism, and other such nonsense. What we don't get is any response to the actual history that shows how full of baloney our " Trotskyist" and his new Stalinist defender are . Not a bit of recognition of the concrete information Anthony provided. Instead we get the usual self-aggrandizement from the bosoms of these buddies. And that says all that needs to be said about their Marxism. BTW Having a wonderful time, thanks for asking >>> >> >> >> ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com