I think that we are going to need to be very serious and realistic about what Biden and Harris represent, a return to neoliberal austerity.
Trumpism and the Tea Party before it were a crazy, chauvinist ideological response to a genuine complaint, the abject failure of the Democrats to abandon neoliberal policy after its Bush-era formulation crashed the economy in 2007-09. That is going to be repeated by Biden and Harris, DSA is not a New Deal coalition and the press is reporting on how overjoyed that the bourgeoisie is over Harris, who very likely might be capable of operating in this administration as Dick Cheney did under another cognitively limited Chief Executive. That is far from an endorsement of Trump. But tell no lies, claim no easy victories Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ 6a. Re: Left Unity From: Roger Kulp <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:51:37 EDT What this fake convention proves is what we on the left,and even some on the libertarian right,have been saying for decades,that the so called two party system is a sham.They are simply two wings of the same imperialist,capitalist party.Voters should have seen this coming,when liberals,like Ellen Degeneris,and Michele Obama started cozying up to reactionary war criminal George W Bush.This is the result of thirty years of neoliberalism,and moving to the right,on the part of the Dems.I am sixty years old,and have only voted for one Democrat once in my entire life,that being Jesse Jackson.I joined the Green Party in 2000,entirely because of Nader.I was very disillusioned by the Greens.Our party branch never saw any growth,nor were we ever able to reach out to the poor and working class.Then in 2017,I discovered the PSL.The growth we are seeing is amazing. I never supported Bernie,not even in 2016,because of his imperialistic,nationalist foreign policy.Black Agenda Report was a big factor in this. The accelerationist in me secretly wants to see Trump reelected. Roger Kulp ________________________________ From: [email protected]<[email protected]> on behalf of John Reimann <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:58 AM To: [email protected]<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [marxmail] Left Unity There are reasonable arguments in favor of voting for Howie Hawkins over Biden. Reminding us that the same thing that is being said about Trump was said about every Republican of the last 25 years is not one such argument. Trump really is qualitatively different from every Republican president before him. His reelection would mgive a significant boost to outright fascist forces - something that could not have been said about Reagan, Bush, etc. Well, it was said, but it was not correct. Nor do I see the comparison with the SPD having told its members to vote for Hindenberg as being valid. At that time, the German working class had two mass working class parties. The US has none and I don't think the Greens will ever develop into one either. That is why I had been seriously considering voting for Biden. Now, though, I'm watching the convention and feeling totally disgusted. I find the prospect of Biden being elected to be depressing, the prospect of Trump being reelected is genuinely frightening. John Reimann -- “Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook -- View This Message: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/619 Reply To This Message: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/619?reply=1 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76307258/4845976 ________________________________________________________________________ 6b. Re: Left Unity From: Michael Meeropol <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:03:08 EDT what will that "accelerate?" The demonstrators in the street that came out after George Floyd was murdered got some GIVE from the powers that be --- with Trump in for four more years, with the judiciary re-made, with Barr still as A.G. and the Senate able to block anything the House does, he will start shooting down people in the street --- The firebombing of the earth will certainly "accelerate" maybe to the point of no return when the methane leaks from the earth will kill all our grandkids ... And with what power will the rising consciousness of the "masses" who will be "accelerated" (??) to fight Trump confront the militias and militarized police ? At least if Trump loses and TRUMPISM is actually put on trial (will the ruling class let him "get away" with his corruption --- open question of course!) will the people suddenly disappear from the streets ---? I don't think so .... Remember, one of the principles of revolutionary opposition is that when things START to improve is when there is a real upsurge .... The big strikes that created the modern labor movement occurred TWO YEARS after FDR took over from Hoover and STARTED some of the New Deal programs --- The movement for Civil Rights in the SOuth accelerated (that word again!) \in the 1960s ---AFTER a significant improvement in black incomes even in the South --- I think the hope after the NADIR of life under Trump will actually be a significant "accelerant" to the movement --- even on OUR side --- pushing a Biden Administration (with a bunch of folks on our side IN Congress --- ) in the right direction. So I don't think WE gain anything by a Trump re=election and LOTS OF PEOPLE will literally die as a result of it .... 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