“The Democrats are worthless”: An interview with Howie Hawkins
Gregor Baszak, Platypus Review 126 | May 2020
https://platypus1917.org/2020/05/01/the-democrats-are-worthless-an-interview-with-howie-hawkins/

 . . .
"... I think the problem in this country is that since 1936 the
Popular Front, when the Communists went into a coalition with the
liberal bourgeoisie against the fascists, has been the dominant policy
on the Left. However, since 1848 the traditional principle of
socialist politics was class independence from the capitalists. The
so-called “socialists” in this country have forgotten that. They don’t
know that they’re continuing the Popular Front because they don’t
study history. And when you’re in a Popular Front with the Democrats,
you are the junior partner: they set the agenda, and you go out and
knock on doors or make phone calls. You’re not a Left anymore; you’re
just grunt workers for the corporate liberals and neoliberals." . . .

"GB: Some might say that it was the function of Bernie Sanders all
along to get young people to place their hopes in the Democrats.

"HH: I think it’s true. My friend, the late Bruce Dixon used the
sheepdog metaphor. Whether it was Bernie’s intention or not, that was
the effect. And I think that was his intention.

"His wife, Jane Sanders, spoke to the Left Forum in New York City in
2018 and told the audience in the opening plenary to register as
Democrats. I stood in the back and gave it a thumbs down. She said, I
know you’re not going to do that, but you should. He wanted that so
that people would vote for him in the primaries this time. That’s been
his function.

"It’s a shame. I knew him in the 70s when he was a third-party
candidate with the Liberty Union. I worked on his campaign and dropped
leaflets for him. When he set up his Eugene Debs slideshow, I arranged
showings of it. But then when he wanted to get into Congress after
being mayor of Burlington, he got a deal with the Democrats in Vermont
and basically said, don’t run a serious candidate against me as a
Democrat, and I will make sure that progressives in Vermont won’t run
in some of the races that you do want to win. They’ve had this deal
going on. Bernie is nominally an independent, but in practice he’s
functionally a Democrat. For example, in the last Senate election in
2018 when he got re-elected to the U.S. Senate, he was in the
Democratic primary and then he declined the nomination. So he’s on the
ballot as an independent, but there was no Democrat because he’d
gotten their nomination too.

"GB: Since Sanders dropped out of the race and endorsed Joe Biden, the
Left has to plan for a post-Bernie future. Where do you see that to
lie? Do you see that with figures like Ilhan Omar or Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez or do you see it lying elsewhere?

"HH: When push comes to shove, these younger members of Congress line
up with Pelosi. We had a primary. I was the candidate for governor in
New York in 2018, and DSA and the liberals got behind a woman named
Cynthia Nixon who was an actress who supported Hillary Clinton over
Bernie Sanders in 2016. I think they were star struck. She got beat by
Governor Andrew Cuomo by about 2:1, which is basically what the
Democratic Party is in New York. One third progressives and two thirds
regular Democrats who’ll vote for the establishment inside the
Democratic Party. Immediately after the primary was over,
Ocasio-Cortez went on CNN and endorsed Cuomo and all the Democrats.
Cuomo is a corporate Democrat if ever there was one.

"Of course, I was in the race, and so we asked DSA to consider
endorsing us. Instead of having that debate, they had a debate on
whether or not to have a debate on endorsing me. The result was not to
even have the discussion.

"Some people within the DSA and Jacobin say there’s a contradiction
between the progressive Democrats and the corporate Democrats, and at
some point there’s going to be a dirty break, as they call it. I’ve
been hearing that since the 60s." . . .

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