The articles linked here are worth a read. Vincent Wong claims that stating Tibet is part of China is rightist. I don't get this. Why is this rightist? Do you dispute anything Rennie and Stone say about Tibet? I have always thought the whole "Free Tibet" movement was pure bourgeois Western liberalism. The Dalai Lama was a known CIA operative, who got direct funding from the Agency.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/02/world/world-news-briefs-dalai-lama-group-says-it-got-money-from-cia.html What Rennie and Stone say about the Uyghurs is exactly what I have heard from those who refute the genocide charges,which have shaped my opinions. There is a lot more proof than they list here. > > > > In China’s Xinjiang region lives a population of Uyghurs. They are mostly > Muslims and, according to the Chinese government, their ethnic background > is Tiele. Like Canada, China is a multi-cultural country with 55 > recognized ethnic minorities. In recognition of their unique national > rights and customs, China designated the area as the Xinjiang Uyghur > Autonomous Region. There, the Uyghurs practise their faith at some 25,000 > mosques, send their kids to schools in their national language, enjoy the > same political rights and access all the same social services as other > Chinese, and have limited self-rule. > > > > Uyghurs have thrived in the People’s Republic of China, their numbers in > Xinjiang increasing by 25% in the past decade alone. (So much for Western > claims of a “genocide”!) In fact, while other Chinese citizens were > limited for a time to raising only a single child per family, Uyghurs were > allowed two. > > > > Unlike Canada, which sits serenely surrounded by three oceans and has no > foreign rivals with designs on Ottawa for regime change, China is > surrounded by U.S. military/naval bases and less-than-friendly neighbours > such as India, Japan and South Korea. Several other countries have designs > on its government, including Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which have > encouraged and supported the formation of separatist groups inside > Xinjiang that, in turn, have engaged in terrorist activities which > resulted, over a period of several decades, in much loss of life and > destruction of property. In fact, those two governments arranged for the > relocation of some 15,000 Chinese Uyghurs to the Syrian province of Idlib, > where they are currently accumulating military experience fighting against > the government of Syria, in preparation for a return to Xinjiang to > conduct an armed struggle against the Chinese government. > > Do you deny what is said here about the military training? If there are prison facilities in Xinjiang, why would it not be to detain these men, trained in Syria? The article about "Campism" from Schulman and La Botz ignores the fact that many of the movements "freedom" are really Astroturf groups, largely created,and built by the CIA, National Endowment for Democracy,and other elements of ,and actors on behalf of, the American state. Rennie and Stone get this right. The Hong Kong riots of 2018-2019 being the prime example cited here. Are you implying that groups like these "pro democracy " protestors in Hong Kong are those who socialist in the west should support? I know of no leftist/socialist who thinks of Putin and Russia, as anything but reactionary and capitalist. I personally have mixed feelings about the state capitalist model of China, Schulman and La Botz ,and other socialist criticize. While not the ideal of worker owned cooperatives, if capitalism must exist, I believe the state capitalist model is far superior to the private capitalist model seen in the US ,and Western Europe. While I am still learning about the situation in Xinjiang,and am trying to avoid US propaganda, the White Papers translated here provide a very good explanation for the Chinese state's rationale ,and actions, regarding Turkestan. https://xinjiang.sppga.ubc.ca/policy-documents/government-sources/white-papers/ ( https://xinjiang.sppga.ubc.ca/policy-documents/government-sources/white-papers/ ) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#7617): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/7617 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/81653967/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
