there was a lot of evidence that when the Soviet Union entered the war, the Japanese realized that they had "no hope" of Soviet mediation and were ready to give up ---
The arguments that the bomb saved hundreds of thousands of lives ignores much of that evidence AND there was a proposal to engage in a "demonstration drop" --- AND --- there is no excuse whatsoever for Nagasaki even if there is some validity to the argument Dave raised I think Dave Lindorff (on this list) has collected a lot of the information and can cite chapter and verse as to the efforts of the Japanese to present their willingness to surrender .... On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:33 PM David Walters via groups.io <david.walters66=comcast....@groups.io> wrote: > There is a whole lot of stuff that contradicts the "Japan was ready to > surrender". Mostly revolving who contacted the Swedish Ambassador to pass > it along to the U.S. That is what *wing* of the Japanese government was > offering the claim. I haven't read all the sources, there are too many, but > it seems there was a question of why then didn't the Japanese, via the > Emperor, go on the radio and announce and unconditional surrender? Likely > because they *still* wanted to negotiate. So that was one of the > conflicts. > > The other, seemingly ignored by those that only focus on the surrender > offer, was *Operation Downfall*, the invasion of Japan. This was a > *larger* reason to drop the bombs than threats to the U.S.S.R. (I believe > that was a fringe benefit). Why do I write this? Because *Operation > Downfall* was already being organized from Okinawa...and it would > involved OVER 1 MILLION G.I.s invading the southern home islands.* 10 > times the size of the U.S. participation in D-Day *in Normandy. This when > the U.S. was becoming more and more tired of the war and sentiment to "end > it now" was growing across the U.S. electorate. > > Each staff for every major General and Admiral put together statistics on > expected causalities. A very in-exact science. MORE interesting was the > total number of civilian Japanese casualties...most studies, and remember > an inexact statistical science, predicted over 1 million civilians dead or > about 5 times that of those that dies under the atomic bombings. > > If one is really interested in the "why?" one should read all the > different sides of the debate. Just wanted to throw in the other side(s) of > this. > > David > _._,_._,_ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#31504): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/31504 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/107753500/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
