On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 09:42 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > The US isn't like "every advanced capitalist democracy" in that it has > practically always had only two parties, both competing to represent > capitalists, and practically no independent political action by the > working class... the US is headed in the opposite direction of even less > popular control over the US government and the fabulous wealth that it > serves.
Mark, I would be interested to know from you and others despairing of the lack of " independent political action by the working class" in the US, where you see it at work in the other advanced capitalist countries. Which party do you hold up as a model? Starmer's Labour? Melanchon's France Insoumise? Wagenknecht's party in Germany? The Swedish social democrats? If you could identify a "workers'party" in another advanced capitalist country which is challenging the dominance of their alternating liberal and conservative governing duopolies, we could have a more focused and constructive discussion to see whether there are actual differences between us. In fact, I thought you in common with others on the list supported the Greens as an example of independent political action by the US working class and a harbinger of a better future. But your comment that the trend towards " even less popular control over the US government and the fabulous wealth that it serves" seems to belie this. In any case, this trend is not unique to the US and is true also of the UK, France, Germany, and the other advanced capitalist economies of Western Europe where the right has been in the ascendent. However, I'm not quite as pessimistic as you are that the left won't revive after the masses also experience the failure of a potential Trump administration and its right wing clones in Western Europe to satisfy their needs. You and I both know that history is not static and it's future direction can't be predicted with certainty one way or the other. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32710): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32710 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108801645/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
