> On Feb 24, 2025, at 23:24, modulus via groups.io
> <modulus=spiritofcontradiction...@groups.io> wrote:
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> The article does contain the infamous phrase that Lenin planted a "time bomb"
> in the form of the right of secession. Nonetheless, in its fashion, it also
> recognises the right to self-determination. I quote a bit more context here:
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>> What can be said to this? Things change: countries and communities are no
>> exception. Of course, some part of a people in the process of its
>> development, influenced by a number of reasons and historical circumstances,
>> can become aware of itself as a separate nation at a certain moment. How
>> should we treat that? There is only one answer: with respect!
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I think this is from a 2022 speech. en.kremlin.ru <http://en.kremlin.ru/> is
not loading for me these days. But I think there's a complete copy of his 2021
speech at https://www.legal-tools.org/doc/tt382m/pdf
"There may be an argument: if you are talking about a single large nation, a
triune nation, then what difference does it make who people consider themselves
to be – Russians, Ukrainians, or Belarusians. I completely agree with this.
Especially since the determination of nationality, particularly in mixed
families, is the right of every individual, free to make his or her own choice."
But in both speeches he makes clear that this does not apply to Ukraine but
only to the Donbas and other areas with significant Russian-speaking
population. That is my interpretation. He has nothing good to say about Lenin's
right of nations to self determination in any of the statements that I have
read. And he has nothing good to say about Lenin AFAICT.
"During a meeting with the republic's leaders, Vladimir Lenin insisted that
they act as part of Soviet Ukraine. On 15 March 1918, the Central Committee of
the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) directly ordered that delegates be
sent to the Ukrainian Congress of Soviets, including from the Donetsk Basin,
and that ”one government for all of Ukraine“ be created at the congress."
In other words, Ukraine is a country made up by Lenin for reasons that cannot
be fathomed.
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> Yes, the article is very iffy in many ways; but it's hard not to read it as
> recognising self-determination in general, and Ukrainian self-determination
> in particular.
I'm not entirely sure, not being a Putinologist like Masha Gessen, but I think
he opportunistically supported the notion of self-determination to make a case
for taking regions away from Ukraine.
thanks for clarifying, Mark
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