On Tue, Nov 25, 2025 at 12:08 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:

> 
> I’m only reiterating that an essential precondition for socialism is the
> collapse of the capitalist system of production and distribution which
> forces the masses to take matters into their own hands, and that it's not
> possible to predict when these conditions might appear.

Which doesn't mean abstention from the Mamdani movement. It will likely have to 
struggle to implement its relatively modest housing, food, and policing 
measures, and the masses primarily learn through struggle,  further informed by 
socialist activists in their midst. It doesn't mean "tailing" the movement 
either. I think the proposals for medicare and public banking, for example, 
already have wide currency within this milieu and would be well received. But 
it's telling that the  Mamdani leadership, bolder than most, still believes it 
needs bourgeois support for its reforms and on that basis refused to challenge 
Jeffries and endorsed him ahead of a challenger to his left - - unnecessarily 
timid, in my view, but something to take into account.


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