In this instance, “they" refers to Barry Weisleder and Yves Engler. I made my 
position known that this is a proxy war provoked by NATO well before the debate 
exhausted itself. Regardless of where one attributes responsibility, the 
Ukrainian masses themselves now overwhelmingly want a negoiated end to the war. 
According to the poll, only  29% of Ukrainians wanted to fight until “final 
victory”, ie. the expulsion of all Russian forces from the Donbas and Crimea. 
The poll was done six months ago and the spread has undoubtedly widened even 
more.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

The only real support for continuing the war is in the NATO countries, where 
public opinion, especially among safely ensconced liberals and social democrats 
and some on the far left, has been conditioned to believe that Russia is an 
imperialist power and that Putin wants to overrun all of Ukraine as a prelude 
to invading the central and east European NATO states in a bid to recreate the 
old Tsarist empire.


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